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  • Resurrecting the Small Hunter Division

    There have been a number of folks asked by a group of the USHJA Pony Breeders Task Force to discuss revitalizing (or changing) the Small Hunter Division at the Virginia Horse Shows Association Annual Meeting this weekend.

    The specs on the division were as follows:

    Horse height: 14.2 - 15. 2 1/2
    Jump height: 3' 3"

    The Task Force group would like to see the specs changed to:

    Horse height: 14.2 - 15.2 (drop the 1/2)
    Jump height: 3' (drop the 3")

    Open to both juniors and adults.


    Opinions?
    Last edited by VirginiaBred; Dec. 1, 2009, 03:13 PM.
    Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

  • #2
    I really like this idea! Mainly because it targets the "black hole" horses (the height that no one seems to want). It would be nice for these horses to be able to compete in their own division- not that they couldn't compete against larger horses but that many people (buyers) don't think they can.

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    • #3
      What would the rating be on this division? Which shows would hold it?
      -Grace

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      • #4
        I would love to see this happen for other people, though it won't do me and my 15h horse any good.
        "I was not expecting the park rangers to lead the resistance, none of the dystopian novels I read prepared me for this but cool."

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          #5
          See u at x, why not?
          Last edited by VirginiaBred; Dec. 1, 2009, 02:53 PM.
          Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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          • Original Poster

            #6
            Question:

            Should pros be allowed to show in this or not?
            Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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            • #7
              I thought the small hunter was 15.3 and under?

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              • #8
                Not in your area but seems a good idea.

                The question you will need to answer is CAN YOU FILL IT?

                Is it filling now at 3' 3"? Can you be sure it will fill with the 3" drop? How many will you lose with that half inch elimination? Is that 1/2 inch going to p^ss anybody off (you know, like half the board of directors have a kid with a 15.2 1/2 in there)?

                Most organizations and shows will offer anything they can fill on a regular basis-with more then 3 entries. See if you cannot get a committment from those who are likely to enter this so you can present some entry number comparisons with your proposal.
                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                • #9
                  I think it's a great idea.
                  If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                  • #10
                    So would it be associate rated? I think it should be open to professionals, it always has been. I remember watching a pretty good division of small hunters at Rose Mount one year. If you could have the division added to associate finals, that would drum up interest. I'd also look into a "Small Hunter Challenge Cup", and take the points from the rated shows that hold, or could be persuaded to hold, the division. (Or used to, I think they did at one point) Rose Mount, Warrenton, Deep Run, Keswick, those types of smaller (in feel, not necessarily entries) A shows.
                    -Grace

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                      I'm going to ask that it be adopted at the local level first.

                      See u at x, why not?
                      Only because I'm not sure that my mare would be capable of doing 3'+ because an old stifle injury. She may be able to do it here and there, but I'm not sure that it would be something I'd want her doing regularly. She's pretty bold and absolutely loves jumping, but we're thinking that she's probably going to max out at 2'6", unfortunately. But who knows? I tend to err on the side of caution and not get my hopes up.

                      In spite of my personal situation, though, I do think it's a great idea and would love to see it implemented. I think that there are a lot of us with nice horses in this size range who could really benefit. Insofar as it being open to pros, I'm not sure. Is it going to scare off ammy riders if it IS open to pros? I'm an ammy and no great rider by any means, but that wouldn't bother me much to compete against them.
                      "I was not expecting the park rangers to lead the resistance, none of the dystopian novels I read prepared me for this but cool."

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                        #12
                        Virginia currently has the Small Hunter Division, but in a very limited number of shows.

                        See my original post for the original specs on size of horse.
                        Last edited by VirginiaBred; Dec. 1, 2009, 02:53 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                          Question:

                          Should pros be allowed to show in this or not?
                          I vote yes. Why not? It is an Open Hunter division, not childrens or ammies.

                          I also think you need to get the numbers in there first, then worry about splitting out Pros if there are enough non Pros that want to participate.

                          Think it would be a good spot for some local level type Pros or those getting started-kind of fill a black hole for them as well as the Hony. And it might get you a bigger class-associations and shows love big numbers in the classes as they make more money from more members and more entries.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                          • #14
                            I thought the VHSA already rated small hunters.....they have the division on the 08-09 year end standings.....
                            There's coffee in that nebula.

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                            • #15
                              VHSA does have Small Hunters. Here are the 2009 points.

                              SMALL HUNTER
                              ============
                              Cactus Jack Strotmeyer, Valerie 230.0
                              Call Me Sheffeld, Bethany 206.0
                              Me And Julio Bartlett, Shannon 170.0
                              Noble Knight Eccles, Jennifer L 126.0
                              Showgirl Braswell, Devon Leigh 90.0
                              Lady Like The Barracks 75.0

                              I think the current specs (3'3" jump height) are fine. Large ponies jump 3'.

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                              • #16
                                I actually Rode in the VHJA Small hunter division back in the day! My horse was 15.2 or 15.3 and the fence height was 3'6".Ammys and Pros.

                                Bring it back, it was a great little division, always filled. Its kinda like small ponies but for small horses.

                                Of corse I'll never ride in it again as I'm too tall for the small horses.
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                                • #17
                                  I think it is a good idea, however, why not make it a "true" small hunter division, i.e. under 16 hands?
                                  www.shawneeacres.net

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by french View Post
                                    VHSA does have Small Hunters. Here are the 2009 points.

                                    SMALL HUNTER
                                    ============
                                    Cactus Jack Strotmeyer, Valerie 230.0
                                    Call Me Sheffeld, Bethany 206.0
                                    Me And Julio Bartlett, Shannon 170.0
                                    Noble Knight Eccles, Jennifer L 126.0
                                    Showgirl Braswell, Devon Leigh 90.0
                                    Lady Like The Barracks 75.0

                                    I think the current specs (3'3" jump height) are fine. Large ponies jump 3'.
                                    Ok, so VB, how many of these that currently show in this division as it is today would be willing to accept your changes?
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    • #19
                                      VABred, would it be possible to offer 3' or 3'3, rider's choice? I liked having the intermediate level, but it would probably get more entries if the 3' horses could show too. I would let pros ride in it. Otherwise it will just be another division for the Child/Adult set.

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                                      • #20
                                        They have the small hunters at Upperville every year and a couple of other Virginia Shows. I love the division and would like to see it at 3'-3'3", rider's choice and have it open to all.

                                        ETA: if only one height, I think 3' is the best place to keep it because it would help the horse shows run smoothly. there will always be 3' divisions filling at horse shows after which it could be run, but 3'3" is a PITA because not every show offers the 3'3" AO's and the 2nd year pre green doesn't always fill. Anyway, 3' would probably give them more options of where to work it into a horse show schedule without adding too much time to the day.
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