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  • Amateur-friendly jumper stallions?

    So long story short, I am planning on breeding my AA jumper mare (could do the AOs, I'm a wuss, poor girl is stuck with me ) this spring and am trying to choose a stallion. I would like a horse that def can do the AA jumpers and, possibly, if I gather my courage, the AOs (let's shoot for the highs, although I'm fairly certain that if I ever do manage to get my butt into the lows that will be the pinnacle of my riding career).

    I'm wondering if anyone has any insight into stallions that sire competitive jumper get with a good brain for an amateur. Not necessarily dead-beat, dull horses, but ones that are not completely psychotic or definitively "pro rides". Any ideas?
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    I've ridden a lot of Wolfgang(KWPN) babies, and they all have a level-head and are 'amateur' and 'kid-who-knows-nothing-and-is-just-trying-to-stay-on' (me!) friendly! haha! I loved them so much I own one! And he will definitely be my forever horse.

    They all jump very well, have a great temperament and are quite attractive

    While he is dead, I believe you can still purchase his 'stuff' frozen.

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      Originally posted by heartinrye View Post
      I've ridden a lot of Wolfgang(KWPN) babies, and they all have a level-head and are 'amateur' and 'kid-who-knows-nothing-and-is-just-trying-to-stay-on' (me!) friendly! haha! I loved them so much I own one! And he will definitely be my forever horse.

      They all jump very well, have a great temperament and are quite attractive

      While he is dead, I believe you can still purchase his 'stuff' frozen.
      Ironically, my mare is by Wolfgang . But I totally agree with your comments! She also is my forever horse.
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      • #4
        I highly recommend Lotus T. All of his babies have phenomenal temperaments and he consistently improves upon the mare.

        Good luck in your search!

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          My fillies are only 1.5 years old and 6 months, so I don't know yet if they'll be amateur friendly or have the scope I hope they will. I also do not have any other experience with breeding. Therefore, my method might prove to be a total failure! I chose a stallion that was competitive in major grand prix and US team trials that was ridden by his owner. I am not sure if she is technically a pro or an amateur, but she only competes horses owned by her farm. So I figured if he could jump clear rounds over some big courses without a rider that does it all day long on a bunch of horses, then he probably was not the most difficult ride. Thanks to my experience as a junior showing lots of different horses on the A circuit as a working student, they don't need to be point and shoot, but of course if they are a little amateur friendly it will make it easier to sell them if I end up deciding to do so at some point. Has anyone else ever used this method of choosing a stallion that competed at upper levels without a BNR?

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          • #6
            i'm an amateur and have a gorgeous yearling boy out of corlando. corlando passed away last fall but there is still frozen available. my little dude could NOT be cooler and smarter - and his momma's a bit of a hot princess so it definitely came from dad.

            there are a ton of videos of mine here:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txgN3_Ht61E

            here's pop:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2WCu_YTtNI

            all of his babies can jump and are SO cool and easy.

            http://triadfarminc.com/id55.html

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            • #7
              I'd go ahead and say Lotus T as well. I was supremely impressed with the minds of each of his babies that I sat on/ worked with. Very good temperaments, eager to learn, ammy friendly.
              You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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              • #8
                Royal Appearance was reserve 5 year old jumper champion. He has a kind temperament, his son is doing Advanced eventing in England and I have a mare by him who is the most naturally polite, gentle, intelligent and sensitive mare.
                She is quick and active and will be a performance horse.
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                • #9
                  TB stallion Yavari qualified for the olympics with his amature owner. My mare is by him and she has good brains.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 00Jumper View Post
                    Ironically, my mare is by Wolfgang . But I totally agree with your comments! She also is my forever horse.
                    Oh well then that won't work! But you've definitely have good mommy genes I hope my next show horse can be out of him too, of course its gonna be a while till I can afford my next show horse.... haha!

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                    • #11
                      Well, I'm probably out in left field here, but I bought a 2-year-old Ariadus gelding this past spring just for the reasons you state. You don't give us much info on your mare...

                      I bought this gelding after watching a ton of amy-friendly horses sired by Ariadus. I wanted one for myself. Most have been in the hunter ring, but there's a couple of pretty competitive jumpers out there, too. I'll let you know in a couple of years how it turned out!

                      I'd stick with Holsteiners to increase your odds...I have Hanoverian mares but I've been breeding them to Holsteiners for the past 7 years with really good success. I'd also tend to stick with hunter sires because I think you'll get a quieter disposition. For me, as an amy, I look for disposition first...they have to cart my sorry butt around and forgive my mistakes!
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                      • #12
                        I second the Ariadus. I have two mares by him. Very amateur friendly and athletic. Mine don't resemble each other physically but they both have very similar temperaments. If I were to buy another horse I would be looking to his offspring first. Plus, Karen Reid is great to work with.

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                        • #13
                          Mannhattan produces very nice jumpers, with excellent minds, i have a really nice mare by him with a great attitude and very natural talent...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scribbles View Post
                            Mannhattan produces very nice jumpers, with excellent minds, i have a really nice mare by him with a great attitude and very natural talent...
                            Oh, agree. Forgot about him. There's a GREAT one in the barn right now, and BEAUTIFUL to boot!
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                              #15
                              WOW - thank you guys for all the replies! Since y'all are being so darn helpful, I thought maybe I would give you a little more information on the mare in an attempt to narrow down the search to stallions that I could have registered offspring from.

                              The mare is KWPN studbook, scored very well at her keuring for some movements (7 trot, 8 canter, 7.5 jump) and okay for conformation and walk (6.5). She's very athletic, powerful and scopey, but she's only 15.2. I'd like to breed her to a stallion that would improve her size slightly (17 hands is scary for me! I'm shooting for the 16 hand range ), as well as her topline - she has a beautiful neck and a good shoulder, but she is very slightly roach backed. Her hocks are also a little straight and her pasterns a little upright for my liking, but that's being picky.

                              Ideally I'd find a stallion that would be KWPN approved or be eligible to have KWPN Reg. A foals out of my mare (so KWPN, BWP, Zangershiede, Swedish WB, Danish WB, Holsteiner/Hannoverian/Oldenberg if they're approved in Europe, Trakehner, Thoroughbred, and Selle Francais stallions are all fair game). I'm not a breed snob (Lord knows - let me show you my other horses ), but should it come about that I am interested in selling the foal for whatever reason, or breeding it later on, I would want it to be registered with those papers.

                              So far I like Ariadus very much, but is he approved with the American Holsteiner studbook or the European one? I also really like Coromino, Richard and Justice - anyone have any insight to lend on those guys? And, just for giggles, what about Numero Uno?

                              Also, here are some pictures of my girl - she is pretty much adorable imho but you guys might be able to look her over with a more critical eye as to conformation.

                              http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...45&id=11324903 - conformation
                              http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...ad&id=11324903 - hard at work
                              http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...b5&id=11324903 - excuse the watermark, I did buy the photo but I haven't scanned it in. I will remove this one if anyone objects.
                              http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...d6&id=11324903 - Having a little too much fun, I think.
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                              • #16
                                You may want to look at GoodTimes. I had a gelding by him, completely laid back, jumped anything you pointed him at. Brave, brave, brave, and quiet as a lamb. Beautiful neck and topline- a little upright in front and a long horse, but that seemed to come from Mama. Quite a few of his offspring are competing at the top of the sport.

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                                • #17
                                  Goodtimes is only 16-16.1hh and is not known for throwing height. Lovely, lovely boy, though. ;-)

                                  Given your criteria, I'd definitely recommend Landkoenig. People usually always recommend at least ONE of Edgar's boys, not sure why his name hasn't already come up.
                                  www.jlsporthorsesales.net

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                                  • #18
                                    LORDANOS!! He is known for producing (as well as himself being) amateur and junior / Young rider friendly horses. I have got 2 by him that are lovely, and they can jump too! He would be well worth a look at. He stands as Sosaths in Germany.

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                                    • #19
                                      Oh Ariadus, forgot about him. Have worked with two of his babies, both lovely animals. One was the kindest 4 yr old stallion, totally easy going and super sweet. I'm not sure how he throws height.
                                      You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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                                      • #20
                                        Goodtimes is a nice suggestion. I have a FABULOUS 2yo colt by Numero Uno but he is HUGE. He is 16.2h at 2.5yo, so will easily make 17h+ and the dam is 16h I believe. He is gorgeous, and very laid back, but also extremely athletic and scopey. I also have a really nice Indoctro filly but she is quite small, 15.2h at 3.5yo.
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