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  • supplements for ulcers and gaining appetite

    My gelding has recently stopped finishing his grain. Sometimes he eats half of it, sometimes most, and sometimes hardly any at all. My trainer told me to put him on a supplement that will help prevent and buffer ulcers incase that is the cause. He hasn't been showing an signs of ulcers other than not finishing his grain, but he is a nervous horse that is in pretty heavy training so it is a possibility. I have no experience with ulcer or appetite increasing supplements though. What do you suggest?

    Also, I can't afford to spend more than about $30.

    Thanks guys!!

  • #2
    $30 a day? That would be UlcerGard!
    Y'all ain't right!

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    • #3
      $30 a day? a month? a year?

      If you have a tiny budget what happens when you have to take your horse to the vet hospital because of ulcers?

      Has your horse been scoped for ulcers? Too many people start treatment without even knowing if their horse has ulcers.

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      • #4
        Ulcergard and Gastrogard are by far the best but very cost prohibitive. My only other recommendation is a prescription dose of U-Gard. Can purchase from A to Z Vet Supply. I lay it to them and it definitely works. Any of my traveling horses get this when the owners can't afford Ulcergard/Gastrogard. Also, supplement with alfalfa and allow free choice hay.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by kitsunegari View Post
          $30 a day? a month? a year?

          If you have a tiny budget what happens when you have to take your horse to the vet hospital because of ulcers?

          Has your horse been scoped for ulcers? Too many people start treatment without even knowing if their horse has ulcers.
          Agree with the first part.

          As far as scoping goes, in some cases it may be more expensive than the treatment. Since Gastrogard won't hurt them, many people opt to try "diagnosis by treatment" instead - treating them with Gastrogard and seeing if the problem goes away. Generally, the standard course of treatment is a dose (one tube) of Gastrogard once per day for 28 days, followed by regular treatment with Ulcergard (1/4 tube once per day). As a side note, Gastrogard and Ulcergard are exactly the same thing, just given at different dosages. It is expensive though, especially those first 28 days. Unfortunately, if you DON'T do those first 28 days, it seems that the Ulcergard will still be enough to keep the ulcers from getting worse, but not to allow them to actually heal.

          If you get the ulcers to heal, your horse may remain comfortable on Ranitidine instead of Ulcergard, but that's something to discuss with your vet (they have different mechanisms of action and Ranitidine may not be as effective, but it is certainly cheaper).

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          • #6
            I hate to tell you this, but a nervous horse in heavy training and not finishing his grain IS showing signs of ulcers . . . I personally don't scope. I diagnose using Ulcergard. It's $30 a tube online. It does not need an presciption. It's the same as Gastrogard, just marketed differently. You need to give him one full tube every day for about seven/eight days. If you see a difference in horse, especially if he's resumed eating, then you know you have ulcers. Unfortunately, the only thing that really TREATS them is the Ulcergard. You might be able to scrimp a bit by not giving the whole tube after say an initial two weeks of it daily. You might be able to do to half a tube and then a quarter tube for economic reasons only. (The usual dose is one tube a day for 30 days). You can also do a few other things:

            Add alfalfa to his diet
            Add pre-/probiotics to his feed
            Use a digestive/ulcer supplement (I use Smart Gut)
            Add aloe vera juice to his feed
            Add papaya to his feed.

            If you go this route and he's still not finishing his grain and you see no improvement, you really must call the vet . . .

            Good luck!

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              #7
              Originally posted by kitsunegari View Post
              $30 a day? a month? a year?

              If you have a tiny budget what happens when you have to take your horse to the vet hospital because of ulcers?

              Has your horse been scoped for ulcers? Too many people start treatment without even knowing if their horse has ulcers.
              Sorry. A month. or about a month.

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                #8
                Originally posted by hollyhorse2000 View Post
                I hate to tell you this, but a nervous horse in heavy training and not finishing his grain IS showing signs of ulcers . . . I personally don't scope. I diagnose using Ulcergard. It's $30 a tube online. It does not need an presciption. It's the same as Gastrogard, just marketed differently. You need to give him one full tube every day for about seven/eight days. If you see a difference in horse, especially if he's resumed eating, then you know you have ulcers. Unfortunately, the only thing that really TREATS them is the Ulcergard. You might be able to scrimp a bit by not giving the whole tube after say an initial two weeks of it daily. You might be able to do to half a tube and then a quarter tube for economic reasons only. (The usual dose is one tube a day for 30 days). You can also do a few other things:

                Add alfalfa to his diet
                Add pre-/probiotics to his feed
                Use a digestive/ulcer supplement (I use Smart Gut)
                Add aloe vera juice to his feed
                Add papaya to his feed.

                If you go this route and he's still not finishing his grain and you see no improvement, you really must call the vet . . .

                Good luck!
                He has always been a nervous horse. He used to be a lot more nervous than nervous than he is now. The only change in him is that he hasn't been finishing his feed.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by forestergirl99 View Post
                  He has always been a nervous horse. He used to be a lot more nervous than nervous than he is now. The only change in him is that he hasn't been finishing his feed.
                  I strongly recommend Gastrogard or Ulcergard, I, too tried to fix my horse's ulcers the cheap way, but the only thing that REALLY worked was the Gastrogard. The price sucks, but it comes with owning a horse I guess.

                  Good luck!

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                  • #10
                    U-7

                    This is what we did and it worked like a charm. We put the horse on generic omeprazole for a month (got it from our vet at a FRACTION of Gastrogard's or Ulcer-gard's cost) and then put him on Finish Line's U-7. This program made a huge difference. We are still using the U-7 with great results. Once you get through the month of omeprazole and then the first month of U-7 where you have to double dose, you can then back off to half the amount. One big bottle of the liquid costs around $50 and after you're done with that first month, it should last approx. 2 months. We also use a grain with pre/probiotics as well as digestive enzymes.

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                    • #11
                      Hi, I normally do not write in on these sites, but I have had extensive experience with ulcers in horses. I definately agree with ulcergard/gastrogard, but something else that I feel has really helped my horses is Suceed. Suceed helps more with digestive functioning as a whole and hind gut ulcers. I have had such luck with it in the past that now all my horses live on Suceed no matter what. It has definately helped my young hunter gain weight. We also have an old been there done that jumper who always used to poop a lot when you rode him. Since the Suceed he no longer does. I also give a 1/4 to 1/2 tube of ulcergard to them too, but only when they are shipping or showing. Good luck!

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                      • #12
                        To those of you suggesting alfalfa, is it to purely put on weight, or is there some digestive/ulcer related reason as well? And what about feeding alfalfa to ponies or hot horses? This is coming from an east coast person - I know horses 'live' on alfalfa on the west coast.
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                        • #13
                          I've gone to a beet pulp based feed. I dose the hard keepers with a probiotic from the health food store and feed an ounce of aloe juice a day to soothe the stomach. Now all of my guys are fat as ticks. I also feed a good timothy/orchard grass hay and the whole herd is on good pasture at least 12 hours/day.

                          As for Succeed, I've had vets look at the ingredients. There isn't anything really special in it that you can't get a lot cheaper from Whole Foods.
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                          • #14
                            I have one who had ulcers. In addition to giving him UlcerGard, i made some changes. I put him on a beet pulp based feed (Triple Crown Complete). I had to cut back the amount of feed he was getting and up his hay. That was really hard for me, but it was the right thing to do. He wouldn't eat alfalfa with his feed, but we always gave him as much as he'd eat before he went to work. He likes the cubes as treats. When he finished up his month of UlcerGard I put him on SmartGut (it will test, but if you're not doing big shows, it won't matter). He's been great for almost a year now and I like the SmartGut a lot. Check it out http://www.smartpakequine.com/Produc...ctclassid=6320
                            Y'all ain't right!

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                            • #15
                              Ulcers are a real possibility. Personally I would also have his teeth checked to make sure nothing has changed there.
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                              • #16
                                I've had success using gastroguard to get rid of the ulcers initially and then feeding Neighlox as a supplement to help keep them away. It also helps to feed them some alfalfa before giving grain.

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                                • #17
                                  APF helps too, but only after you have healed the ulcers... it is really necessary to do the gastrogard or opremazole, if you can get it compounded...

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by BeastieSlave View Post
                                    I have one who had ulcers. In addition to giving him UlcerGard, i made some changes. I put him on a beet pulp based feed (Triple Crown Complete). I had to cut back the amount of feed he was getting and up his hay. That was really hard for me, but it was the right thing to do. He wouldn't eat alfalfa with his feed, but we always gave him as much as he'd eat before he went to work. He likes the cubes as treats. When he finished up his month of UlcerGard I put him on SmartGut (it will test, but if you're not doing big shows, it won't matter). He's been great for almost a year now and I like the SmartGut a lot. Check it out http://www.smartpakequine.com/Produc...ctclassid=6320
                                    What is in SmartGut that would make it a banned substance for USEF shows? Am I missing something?
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                                    • #19
                                      My guy got a couple of rounds of Gastroguard when we figured out ulcers were his problem with not putting on weight. He is on Fibergized that contains beet pulp and also receives a 1/4 cup of Natural Plan Stomach Soother at his am/pm feeding. He then receives Ulcerguard the day before, of, and after when he is hauled. He responded very well to the daily treatment of Gastroguard and that is why I also started to use the Stomach Soother on a daily basis as well.

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                                      • #20
                                        Run a fecal. My TB will back off on his feed intake when he has parasites. His fecal egg counts rise faster after deworming than the other horses in the herd, so he gets dewormed more often. Your horse may very well have ulcers, but you might rule out other common (and inexpensive to treat) things first.

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