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I HATE horse shopping...RANT

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  • I HATE horse shopping...RANT

    I'm currently on the hunt for a new horse following the untimely death of my amazing A/O hunter and I absolutely hate it. I'm not even looking for a lot - just something with some sort of athletic ability that is sound and isn't going to cost me more than my college education. I'm not even asking for sanity here!

    Unfortunately, all I've managed to come across so far has fallen far short of expectation or has been massively over priced. No, I will not pay you $30k for your 7 year old that has yet to do anything bigger than 2'6". When I ask about the training it has had, be honest with me. If you tell me its doing 3'6" courses and I find out that its not actually halter broke yet, I'm probably not going to buy it. And no, going in a double twisted wire does not really mean that it goes in a snaffle...well kinda, but seriously?

    Gah! Rant over. Anybody else hate horse shopping as much as I do?
    "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
    -George Morris

  • #2
    Well I actually kind of liked looking for my latest guy and I love to continue to shop vicariously through my friends who are in the market. Heck, if I knew what you were looking for I'd probably sit here and search for you too!

    But I sooooo understand you're frustrations. Just try to laugh it off and enjoy it, hopefully youll find something amazing (eventually).

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    • #3
      hope-excitement-disappointment-despair-hope-excitment-disappointment-despair etc etc...

      Who wouldn't like that?

      There's one out there somewhere waiting for you. It took me 9 long months to find my last horse - you'll find yours too. Good luck!

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      • #4
        Sad thing is, selling them has just the same woes....the people who don't know what they're doing make it hell for us that do.

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        • #5
          I hate horse shopping too!! Hang in there!! --it sucks..

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          • #6
            Selling is even worse!!!!!!!!! All I want is for a nice children's hunter kid or adult to enjoy my horse as much as I do. He's an absolute doll with a winning show record. He's become a packer and can take a serious joke and keep going... Is that so much to ask!

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            • #7
              I think horse shopping is hardest when you've had a fabulous horse, as it sounds like you have, and lost it for some reason. No matter how much you tell yourself that you can't compare your prospects to that fab-horse, you still do so -- but hang in there, it will get easier and you will find something, probably when you aren't really looking!

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              • #8
                Check out CANTER. If your anywhere near PA there's a mare on there that is really fancy if you aren't super tall... she's 15.3. http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?o...&directory=279

                If you need bigger maybe this guy?
                http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?o...&directory=279

                This guy's kind of cute... http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?o...&directory=282

                This one has "the look" http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?o...&directory=282

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                • #9
                  Ugh, the horse I bought one year ago did NOT work out. Now I have to wait until he is sold, (if he sells) before I can shop again.
                  http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/profile/Airamennyl

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                  • #10
                    I love searching the internet for horses, but the actual visits always tend to be very disheartening. I completely understand your frustration, but no fear it happens to everyone. Selling is also a nightmare. You get people who have never ridden anything but a schoolmaster coming to look at your green baby & then say how they are just not schooled enough. Really what did you think a baby was going to be like uhh I don't know a baby!

                    I would check out a site called www.warmbloods-for-sale.com it has a more professional feeling then say a dreamhorse. Plus it specializes in warmbloods so it would have more offerings then a site that has everything. (Plus there is a really really good looking yearling named Katavi who has the looks to be a stellar hunter horse. If I showed hunters I would grab her in an instant.)

                    Good luck in your search. I hope things start to turn around for you.

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                    • #11
                      If you are looking for an A/O quality prospect then I do not think 30k for a good minded 7yo that moves and jumps good enough to be a candidate for that job and is doing 2'6" courses with lead changes is unreasonable.

                      I know we are in a market down turn but horses like that used to be $45-60k easy.

                      Perhaps your problem is that you are expecting people to firesale their stock and meet any offer no matter how lowball due to "The Market."

                      Well, I have sold 6yo ottbs just starting in the schooling hunters for $30k (who would NOT have had the scope for 3'6", but this was during the hey day), and now have a fancy one who is four years old and green as grass and I will happily hold out for $40k. If it takes two years and we are clocking around the 3'6" by then, someone can pay me $100k+.


                      People will not get my nice horses for next to nothing.
                      The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                      Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                      Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                      The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

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                      • #12
                        Selling is just as hard as buying these days. It took me a year and a half to sell my wonderful gelding. Ellen Shevella stumbled across him after he'd been on the market for over a year. She fell in love- he wasn't fancy, he wasn't extremely athletic- but he was what he was. She had no luck selling him in our area so he went up to Patty Miller- who sold him to a student in her barn 3 weeks later. That student still has him 2 years later and hasn't even thought of selling him. She loves him and is perfectly happy doing the 3' Adults on him.

                        I was brutally honest with people when they came to see him. Was he 100% sound- no he needs some joint support. Was he an easy ride? nothing complicated about him. Did he do his changes? Nope, he had a hard right to left change. (Ellen eventually tuned him up for me). Did he clip, load and tie? He clipped all but his ears, loading- give yourself a good half hour and be patient! and tie, you could tie him to anything that was planted in the ground.

                        I wish more sellers would just be HONEST when selling. Honesty will get you further than being untruthful about the horse. If you are HONEST with someone when selling your horse, at least you can be hopeful that your horse will stay in the new home for longer than if you were to be untruthful.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                          If you are looking for an A/O quality prospect then I do not think 30k for a good minded 7yo that moves and jumps good enough to be a candidate for that job and is doing 2'6" courses with lead changes is unreasonable.
                          It is unreasonable if you're claiming it has the scope to do the A/Os but have no proof by the age of 7. $30k for a nice green prospect that hasn't really been started but might have scope, that's one thing. $30k for a 2'6" horse that is reaching middle age and still hasn't shown any sign of being able to go higher, that's quite another. I don't believe in green 7 year olds.

                          And no, I don't expect fire sale prices. You seem to have assumed a lot about me and my expectations...are you always so rude?

                          My last horse was imported from Europe and extremely green, though not cheap at all. I made him up, taking him from baby greens to the A/O ring. I'm looking to do the same thing again, but I'm shopping in the US.

                          It isn't the prices that bother me, it's the misrepresentation. $30k for a prospect, fine. $30k for a 2'6" horse? No thanks.
                          "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
                          -George Morris

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                          • #14
                            You don't 'believe' in green 7 year olds? Sorry, I totally empathize with your situation, but that just made me laugh. Don't tell my last sale horse that, green at 9, or the 7 year old I'm starting to back for a lady.
                            You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Atypical View Post
                              You don't 'believe' in green 7 year olds? Sorry, I totally empathize with your situation, but that just made me laugh. Don't tell my last sale horse that, green at 9, or the 7 year old I'm starting to back for a lady.
                              Lol sorry, I know they exist, I'm just not too likely to purchase one. Unless they are off the track or have been living in a field for the duration of their lives - that I can see. On the other hand, having been backed at 3 and still green at 7 raises an eye brow.
                              "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
                              -George Morris

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                              • #16
                                It took me almost two years to find my green large pony. But Im sooo glad that I held out and waited for him because I got an amazing deal and at three he is already a saint =)

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
                                  It is unreasonable if you're claiming it has the scope to do the A/Os but have no proof by the age of 7. $30k for a nice green prospect that hasn't really been started but might have scope, that's one thing. $30k for a 2'6" horse that is reaching middle age and still hasn't shown any sign of being able to go higher, that's quite another. I don't believe in green 7 year olds.

                                  And no, I don't expect fire sale prices. You seem to have assumed a lot about me and my expectations...are you always so rude?

                                  My last horse was imported from Europe and extremely green, though not cheap at all. I made him up, taking him from baby greens to the A/O ring. I'm looking to do the same thing again, but I'm shopping in the US.

                                  It isn't the prices that bother me, it's the misrepresentation. $30k for a prospect, fine. $30k for a 2'6" horse? No thanks.
                                  First of all, I was not rude. Stating that I think your price conceptions for the market are a little low is not rude.

                                  Secondly, a 2'6" horse that is 'approaching middle age' and can pack a scared adult around the 2'6" with his changes and get a ribbon in the adult modifieds IS a 30k horse, even if it does not have the scope to go higher.

                                  It may not be the right horse for YOU, but the seller is certainly not unreasonable to price the horse like that for the older adult amateur market. I have turned down offers of notably more than $30k for my "forever" horse (who was not even advertised as he is not and never will be for sale), who is a 2'6" packer and can also teach a rider the 3' but with not as pretty a canter at the bigger height.

                                  You might dismiss him as a 2'6" horse, "No thanks," for your purposes but plenty of other people would love to have a horse like him.
                                  The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                                  Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                                  Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                                  The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                    First of all, I was not rude. Stating that I think your price conceptions for the market are a little low is not rude.

                                    Secondly, a made 2'6" horse that can pack a scared adult around the 2'6" with his changes and get a ribbon in the adult modifieds IS a 30k horse, even if it does not have the scope to go higher.

                                    It may not be the right horse for YOU, but the seller is certainly not unreasonable to price the horse like that for the older adult amateur market. I have turned down offers of notably more than $30k for my "forever" horse (who was not even advertised as he is not and never will be for sale), who is a 2'6" packer and can also teach a rider the 3' but with not as pretty a canter at the bigger height.

                                    You might dismiss him as a 2'6" horse for your purposes but plenty of other people would love to have him.

                                    First, your condescending tone is most unappreciated and what I would call rude.

                                    Second, I haven't even mentioned my price range, so you can stop making ASSumptions about my expectations.

                                    Third, a made 2'6" horse may be worth $30k in your neck of the woods, but definitely not in mine. Anything with four legs can be taught to pack around 2'6" - it isn't exactly an accomplishment. Nor is having a lead change. And the horse I mentioned was not a packer nor was he made.
                                    "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
                                    -George Morris

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
                                      Lol sorry, I know they exist, I'm just not too likely to purchase one. Unless they are off the track or have been living in a field for the duration of their lives - that I can see. On the other hand, having been backed at 3 and still green at 7 raises an eye brow.
                                      That often means they were owned by an amateur who had work/life/whatever conflicts and never had the time or finances to put the horse in a pro-quality program.

                                      7yos who have had light work are mentally and physically mature, haven't had the shizzle jumped out of them and a slick amateur can hop on one of them, finish them how they would like, and be ready to rumble in no time flat.


                                      You really are going to a lot of effort to mock the offerings as inferior. Everything from the lightly ridden homebred to the mature 2'6" packer isn't worth the hay it eats in your book it seems.

                                      Oh well. Good luck finding a nice horse.
                                      The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                                      Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                                      Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                                      The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
                                        First, your condescending tone is most unappreciated and what I would call rude.

                                        Second, I haven't even mentioned my price range, so you can stop making ASSumptions about my expectations.

                                        Third, a made 2'6" horse may be worth $30k in your neck of the woods, but definitely not in mine. Anything with four legs can be taught to pack around 2'6" - it isn't exactly an accomplishment. Nor is having a lead change. And the horse I mentioned was not a packer nor was he made.
                                        This has nothing to do about your personal price range, but rather with your spouting off that a nice 2'6" horse is just a dime a dozen.

                                        I guess my lovely horse that every trainer who meets him loves and for whom people spontaneously offer to write checks is something anyone could train up, pfft, to say nothing of the other horses like him. Every horse in the world is suitable to teach an ammy or a kid how to jump and the people who train these horses haven't accomplished anything.

                                        He's The Noodle in my sig line; feel free to dismiss him and every other horse on the planet like him, and all of the riders pro and ammy alike who wasted their time accomplishing nothing training up those types of horses.

                                        I think you need to reread our respective posts and figure out who is being condescending.

                                        Wowza. And a Just World rep too.
                                        The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                                        Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                                        Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                                        The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

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