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  • #41
    I was brought up on hunter hair and am so well-accustomed to it, that pony tails just look sloppy to me. Sorry. It's well-ingrained, probably from the trainer who Would Not Be Pleased if you didn't do your hair to her specifications. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing any time soon.
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    • #42
      Originally posted by Trixie View Post
      Unfortunately, I don't see that changing any time soon.
      All it would take is for George Morris, Linda Allen, and the big eq trainers to understand the improved safety of wearing helmets that fit, with the chinstraps correctly fastened, and with the hair neatly on the outside. Then they could come out en masse in favor of correct helmet use.

      The changeover to increased safety would really only take about 10 minutes.
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      • #43
        I meant to me, since it's so very well ingrained. I still have nightmares about that particular trainer and it's probably been ten years...

        But MY GOODNESS, we did look nice.
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        • #44
          I said no ponytails. I put my hair in a knot (literally) at the base of my neck with a net over it or shows. For schooling at home I wear my hair in a braid or two.

          I have two reasons:
          1. helmet fit
          2. I have long hair and take a medication that makes my hair prone to falling out. If I ride with my hair in a ponytail it gets tangled and matted and more hair falls out( if you pull on it at all or even brush it it can come out) and I don't like that. So really it's becaue I'm vain.

          I know reason number 2 doesn't apply to everyone but, reason number 1 probably does unless you have short hair.
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          • #45
            I answered no ponytail, the flopping look just seems very sloppy to me. However, I do like the suggestions others have had about tucking a tidy, and hairnetted, braid under their coat or vest. Personally, I bought my helmet to fit with Hunter Hair. My hair is about mid-back length but very thin and baby fine, so there's very little difference between hair up and hair down. The helmet is secure with my hair up, does not slip at all.
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            • #46
              I voted yes because I don't care. I am looking at the horses. I don't give a flying flip what you do with your silly hair.
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              • #47
                Up, but with a concerted effort to make sure that my thick hair is cut & styled so that I don't have to go up a size. Thinning shears, layers, flat-irons and smoothing creams are my friend, and make day-to-day styling easier too.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by superpony123 View Post
                  Well, that's BIKES. The difference, though I am not part of the bike world, is that it is traditional for riders to wear their helmets WITH HAIR INSIDE! .
                  Wearing the hair inside the helmet is NOT traditional. It is "currrently fashionable" but NOT traditional.

                  Look at any show pictures from the 60s, or even the first edition of GM's book
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                  • #49
                    There are lots of "neat and tidy" ways of wearing your hair without putting it up under the helmet.
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                    • #50
                      If it's an issue of style or the best possible brain protection, I'd take the later.

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                      • #51
                        This post is very timely - I spent the weekend looking at new helmets....and I definitely take a much bigger size when I flip my ponytail up inside the helmet. I have thick hair - and when I don't blow it out straight it requires an even BIGGER size to fit under the helmet.

                        So my thing is - if I buy the helmet to fit the hair up inside...what do I do if I cut my hair short like I've been kinda-sorta thinking about? Helmets aren't cheap! It's not like having your flat length pants and your heel length pants!

                        In this case, it would make sense to fit the helmet without hair up....and have a headache until I cut my hair? Ouch.

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                        • #52
                          I have two helmets, a schooling one and a show one.

                          when I am replacing the schooling helmet, I go to the tack shop with my hair in a braid and make sure my helmet fits to this, since that is how I wear it schooling.

                          When I am replacing my show helmet, I put my hair in a french braid, tuck the excess under and fit my helmet to that. Usually I fit is a little tight because for dressage I like my helmet tight and hair up, but for jumping phases, I wear my hair down. Down being, I take my tucked under part of the braid out and let the braid hang down. Sometimes I unbraid the excess and tuck it loose under my helmet - this works as well.

                          If you are going to fit your hair under your helmet, you need to be aware that a ponytail tucked up puts excess material in one part of the helmet - the back. so essentially you need a helmet longer than your head, but the same width. Helmets don't really come like that.

                          My hair is thin and by doing a french braid, it makes the dispersal of hair more even, though it is probably still not perfect. Judging by the red mark on my head, I can pretty much guarantee that my helmet will not move if I fall off.

                          My schooling helmet DOES NOT FIT with a french braid in - which is a good indication of how much the size of a helmet needs to change to accommodate hair. Also, if I let my hair grow to long, it will compromise fit as well.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                            Shoulder length hair in a ponytail flipped up is not going to be a big deal. Waist-length hair coiled up under a helmet certainly would be.
                            I don't mean to be snarky, but you're really just talking out of your backside. I understand the intuition, but there certainly haven't been any studies or research that have discussed the safety issues with different lengths/thickness of hair. Obviously the more hair there is, the more helmet fit is impacted, but to say that x-length hair is "not a big deal" is a totally unsupported and unsubstantiated remark.

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                            • #54
                              If someone doesn't want their hair under their hat, that's absolutely a decision they can make. I won't judge them. I will, however, judge if they grow it to an unreasonable length and then let it flap around and get static cling onto their jacket so that it looks like they touched one of those metal balls from middle school science class. It's just sloppy looking. You can braid it, put it up into a bun, tuck it in the jacket, leave the hairnet loose and just shove it all up in there a la 1960, there are tons of options that do not involve hair flying all over.
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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by twobays View Post
                                I don't mean to be snarky, but you're really just talking out of your backside. I understand the intuition, but there certainly haven't been any studies or research that have discussed the safety issues with different lengths/thickness of hair. Obviously the more hair there is, the more helmet fit is impacted, but to say that x-length hair is "not a big deal" is a totally unsupported and unsubstantiated remark.
                                You're right. I'm just going by my intuition and my experience with hair at different lengths, and judging how my helmet slid, or didn't, with various hairstyles, over the last 30 years. I have very fine hair, btw. When I'm talking about "shoulder length", that means my ponytail is only about three inches long, and thus only impacting maybe at most a fifth of the area where my head and helmet meet.

                                Here's a tip I learned. When I started out, I did my hair by putting it in a ponytail and flipping it up. Later I learned the trick of using a really large barrette, and putting it in kinda upside down, so that the barrette is curved against my head after it is flipped over. This means that instead of having a painful knob of hair at the back, the barrette spreads the hair across 5 inches, and further, it can fit right below where the padding of my helmet ends, so that it doesn't make a nasty pressure point in my helmet or impact the fit very much.
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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by awaywego View Post
                                  This post is very timely - I spent the weekend looking at new helmets....and I definitely take a much bigger size when I flip my ponytail up inside the helmet. I have thick hair - and when I don't blow it out straight it requires an even BIGGER size to fit under the helmet.

                                  So my thing is - if I buy the helmet to fit the hair up inside...what do I do if I cut my hair short like I've been kinda-sorta thinking about? Helmets aren't cheap! It's not like having your flat length pants and your heel length pants!

                                  In this case, it would make sense to fit the helmet without hair up....and have a headache until I cut my hair? Ouch.
                                  There is a third alternative: Buy the helmet that fits your skull and learn how to contain your hair outside. Gains? Need only one helmet. Increased safety. Don't look like so much of a mushroom head. You'll be ahead of the game when the
                                  "fashion" trend of hunter hair disappears...
                                  madeline
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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by mroades View Post
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                                    • #58
                                      I don't like the ponytail look but I have very thick, curly hair and when it was long it never cooperated with getting under a helmet. So, I voted maybe--I would rather someone have a loose ponytail and a fitting helmet, but there are enough neat ways to contain it that it isn't really necessary.
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                                      • #59
                                        Mine goes in a pony tail. I actually put my hat on first, then tie my hair up. At an event, I'll do the same, but put it up in a bun out of the way. As for getting it cut, my company frown on very short hairstyles on women, so that's not really an option.

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                                        • #60
                                          If I didn't put my thick curly hair under my helmet, I'd have to wear a kid's sized helmet! It would also look terrible. So I put up my hair for every ride. I also like the neat and professional look.
                                          "Function in disaster, finish in style, and remain at the center of your being." - Lucy Madeira Wing

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