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So if I "train" my girls can I still ride as an Ammy?

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    So if I "train" my girls can I still ride as an Ammy?

    I currently teach my girls to ride ( along with another trainer) if I ever decide to show again am I still an Ammy?? my girls do not pay me to teach them ( heck they might be willing to pay me NOT to!! LOL) so I have maintained my Ammy status correct? or not?
    Kim
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    This week's Chronicle has such a good explanation of the ammy rules, plus hypothetical questions and answers. My understanding is that as long as you don't take money, you are an ammy.

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      For the most part this should be fine, however, there are some specific circumsatnces that could be problematic so you really should read through the rules. For example, the way I understand it, if you keep your childern's ponies at your parent's farm and pay your parents board, you would technically be vilotating the ammy rules because you are training and are also a family member of someone receiving remuneration for boarding the ponies.
      Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
      Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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        Well I hope so! If parents can't teach their kidlets "for free" (meaning that they aren't punished by the USEF rules for doing so), than many people are in deep doo-doo, as is the industry.

        Really, wait until someone protests. I can't imagine it happening, or the other person not looking like a petty a$$ while doing so.
        The armchair saddler
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          #5
          Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
          For the most part this should be fine, however, there are some specific circumsatnces that could be problematic so you really should read through the rules. For example, the way I understand it, if you keep your childern's ponies at your parent's farm and pay your parents board, you would technically be vilotating the ammy rules because you are training and are also a family member of someone receiving remuneration for boarding the ponies.
          I do not pay board, I pay the farrier directly and the vet directly, my parents keep our ponies for the girls for free, the GIRLS do help throw hay in the summer to work off part of the board. but that should not hurt them as they are Jr's correct?
          ETA: I think I need a personal lawyer to figure it all out! this gets complicated aye???
          Kim
          If you are lucky enough to ride, you are lucky enough.

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            Yes you can teach your own kids and maintain your ammy status.

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              Originally posted by hellerkm View Post
              I do not pay board, I pay the farrier directly and the vet directly, my parents keep our ponies for the girls for free, the GIRLS do help throw hay in the summer to work off part of the board. but that should not hurt them as they are Jr's correct?
              ETA: I think I need a personal lawyer to figure it all out! this gets complicated aye???

              Sounds like you should be okay so I think you should find a nice horse and get yourself out there in the ammy ring
              Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
              Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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                Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
                Sounds like you should be okay so I think you should find a nice horse and get yourself out there in the ammy ring
                Really at this point by the time I help the kids I have NO time to ride, I miss it soooo much! they are getting older ( its really my 2 yr old that is the issue) so I am hoping by spring I find the time to ride on a more regular basis!!
                Kim
                If you are lucky enough to ride, you are lucky enough.

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                  You should be OK, but call USEF to be sure.
                  Janet

                  chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                    Heck, if I could figure out how to get my kids to PAY me, I would gladly turn pro.

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                    • #11
                      Wow. I can't believe these threads. It isn't all that complicated in reality. Teaching your kids does NOT make you a professional. YOU are not the problem!
                      The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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                        Originally posted by Come Shine View Post
                        Heck, if I could figure out how to get my kids to PAY me, I would gladly turn pro.
                        Good Luck and let me know if you get it done so I can try!!!
                        Kim
                        If you are lucky enough to ride, you are lucky enough.

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                          Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
                          Wow. I can't believe these threads. It isn't all that complicated in reality. Teaching your kids does NOT make you a professional. YOU are not the problem!
                          No it is not that complicated, or at least it shouldn't be, but then you get the people who are finding a million ways to bend the rules while getting paid to ride/train/teach/etc. That's why so many people have questions about things that should really be NO problem, but because of the other people who are the problem no one knows for sure. Better safe than sorry..
                          "to live is the rarest thing in the world, most people merely exist."

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                            Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
                            For the most part this should be fine, however, there are some specific circumsatnces that could be problematic so you really should read through the rules. For example, the way I understand it, if you keep your childern's ponies at your parent's farm and pay your parents board, you would technically be vilotating the ammy rules because you are training and are also a family member of someone receiving remuneration for boarding the ponies.
                            That's kind of a stretch when the person paying the board is also the person who's ammy status is questioned. Wouldn't that be like losing your ammy status by paying yourself?


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                              Originally posted by Phaxxton View Post
                              That's kind of a stretch when the person paying the board is also the person who's ammy status is questioned. Wouldn't that be like losing your ammy status by paying yourself?
                              Well, if you take the "family" rules literally, if I pay my sister to exercise my horse while I am out of town, or to board my horse at her barn, _I_ would lose my amateur status.

                              That isn't what is INTENDED, and I am pretty sure it wouldn't be enforced that way.

                              But if you read the rule literally, I would be riding "horse for which ... a member of her family ... receives remuneration for
                              boarding, training, riding, driving or showing."

                              So for that kind of thing you really DO need guidance from USEF.
                              Janet

                              chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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