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VHSA rated vs. Assoc/green/pony hunter rules question

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  • VHSA rated vs. Assoc/green/pony hunter rules question

    I understand that alot of people use the VHSA Associate show as schooling shows to prepare their ponies for the rated shows. At the Assoc shows, large ponies jump 2'6" in both green and pony hunter. As I understand, at the rated level green lg's jump 2'9" and regulars jump 3'. So, am to assume that jumping 2'9" will break a pony's green status for the rated shows? If anyone can find the section of VHSA rules, I'd greatly appreciate it. I was unable to find anything.

    The reason I ask is that I have a pony that will do Pony Hunter at the Associate shows next year. I just found out today that at VHSA Assoc Finals, the larges jump 2'9". Will this break the ponys green status for the rated? Otherwise, I would have to assume that NO ONE doing Pony Hunter at Finals is eligible green on the rated level? I would hate to go and do one show in November and lose my pony's green status, even if he never competes at the rated level? On the other hand, it would stink to compete all year in this division but be unable to show him at Finals simply because he'd lose his green.

    The only other idea I had was that maybe rated is different and they'd have to jump 3' to break their green?

    Can anyone enlighten me?
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    #2
    Just found wording on the usef site that does indicate that showing 2'9" at Finals would break a pony's rated green status. That stinks and makes absolutely no sense. Why wouldn't they keep the fence height at 2'6"? I mean, why would you even bother showing all year at 2'6" if you were just going to blow your green status at the last possible show of the year...wow...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
      Just found wording on the usef site that does indicate that showing 2'9" at Finals would break a pony's rated green status. That stinks and makes absolutely no sense. Why wouldn't they keep the fence height at 2'6"? I mean, why would you even bother showing all year at 2'6" if you were just going to blow your green status at the last possible show of the year...wow...
      I'm not sure I understand your post.
      Are you talking about showing at an unrated show? If so I don't see how that would impact your status at rated shows.
      Can you link to whatever you saw on the USEF site?

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      • #4
        Jumping at non-USEF shows in the US does NOT affect "green" status at USEF shows.
        A green pony is a pony not exceeding 14.2 hands of any age, in its first year of showing
        in any classes that require ponies to jump the regulation height or higher for its respective
        section (2'3" for small, 2'6" for medium, 2'9" for large) prior to December 1st of the current
        competition year at a Regular Competition of the Federation or Equine Canada or any
        national or international competition.
        Janet

        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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        • #5
          A small can jump up to or at the height of 2', medium 2'3 and large 2'9 at a USEF rated show and not break their green status. You just can't do 2'3, 2'6 and 3'0 respectively. As mentioned above, what you enter at an unrated show doesn't matter.

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            #6
            OK, so jumping 2'9" (or even 3') at an associate show doesn't count at all? That is great news...I knew there had to be something I wasn't paying attention to. Thanks all...I realize that seemed like a stupid question but I have zero experience with the rated shows at this point...but have ponies that need their green preserved.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
              OK, so jumping 2'9" (or even 3') at an associate show doesn't count at all? .
              So long as the show is not USEF rated, which the VHSA Associate Finals are not, then there is no issue.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
                OK, so jumping 2'9" (or even 3') at an associate show doesn't count at all? That is great news...I knew there had to be something I wasn't paying attention to. Thanks all...I realize that seemed like a stupid question but I have zero experience with the rated shows at this point...but have ponies that need their green preserved.
                You could jump 3'6" or 4' at an associate show and i would have no effect on USEF "green" status.
                Janet

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                • #9
                  When I did the assoc. greenies darn near 10 years ago, larges jumped 2'3''......I think it made more sense, as it avaoided this question, plus the greenies on the a's are 3' lower than the regs., why not model on that?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LovesHorses View Post
                    A small can jump up to or at the height of 2', medium 2'3 and large 2'9 at a USEF rated show and not break their green status. You just can't do 2'3, 2'6 and 3'0 respectively. As mentioned above, what you enter at an unrated show doesn't matter.
                    Not true. Larges cannot jump 2'9'' at a USEF rated show without breaking their green.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rockfish View Post
                      When I did the assoc. greenies darn near 10 years ago, larges jumped 2'3''......I think it made more sense, as it avaoided this question, plus the greenies on the a's are 3' lower than the regs., why not model on that?
                      Well, write to the VHSA and suggest they drop it back down.

                      IMO that's kind of lame and really too low to help much for those trying to get show miles without breaking a Green with a Large Pony.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by findeight View Post
                        Well, write to the VHSA and suggest they drop it back down.

                        IMO that's kind of lame and really too low to help much for those trying to get show miles without breaking a Green with a Large Pony.
                        well, I think the idea was, that you did 2 years on the assoc. circuit, 1 green @2'3'', 1 reg @ 2'6'', then moved up to the A's, doing greens at 2'9'', then the reg larges.....at least that's how my trainer planned things for us, and it seemed other trainers did too, as some of my competitors were on the same track as me.
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