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  • IHSA: rule or not?

    Alright everyone im curious.

    I was asked to join my college's IHSA Eq Team several times and turned it down always as i am devoted to my 10 horses at home and my familys farm and our horse-barn at school sometimes tends to have a less than pleasant attitude. I didnt feel like paying to be a part of something like that and it was quite expensive. Instead; i have been showing dairy cows and have continued to ride my guys at home...for free

    I have a sophmore college student who keeps her horse at our farm while she attends school (we both go to the same college). She is a wonderful, wonderful rider and shes been riding for a long time. She went to try out for the Equestrian team and despite her riding ability they turned her away because she hasnt won (i think it was) 7 times at a rated horse show.

    Is this a REAL IHSA rule? I just had to ask because i really couldnt believe it when i heard it. She didnt grow up riding in a fancy show barn and she never got involved in showing that heavily, and idk, but maybe they couldnt afford to show at that level. How in God's name can someone turn down a rider based on such a rule? That sounds horribly rude and unfair to everyone else who never had that opportunity to show at such a level and to base judgment on a rider based on winning at a rated show just sounds like a horrible way to pick a rider for a team. The girl really is a great rider; but they told her they couldnt choose her based on this criteria.

    Sounds like a sad situation to me and a very unfair one at that. anyone else experience such a rule?

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    I doubt it but it may be the school has alot to pick from and they simply need more experienced riders to compete. They may not look seriously at anybody without an established record for any of the upper level divisions.

    IHSA is a sport and not a training system any more then any of the other competitive sports are. If the talent pool is deep? You need to be pretty good...and I keep hearing they have tons of applicants at 2'6" and below and few, if any, competent at the higher levels where they may have a few slots to fill-but with those who have proven themselves in actual competition.

    It's an expensive sport and it costs more to field a team then many other sports, so they want a winner.

    If it's a well known school, they probably don't sign talented football players who don't have the high school or whatever they call community colleges these days stats to back up any claims either.
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    • #3
      It would have to be a team rule and not an IHSA rule, unless things are completely changed. I rode IHSA in the 80s and I've never been in a rated show in my life!
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      • #4
        IHSA accepts riders of all levels... However, they do calculate the level that you show at based upon the ribbons you've won (i.e., if you've won more than six blue ribbons at 3'6", you compete in Open).

        So... there's a possibility that all of the Novice and Intermediate slots on the team have been filled and maybe they're just looking for upper-level riders right now.

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        • #5
          No, that's not an IHSA rule.

          The number of ribbons won (6 blue ribbons at 3'6 or higher means you're open, 6 blue ribbons at 3' or highers means you're intermediate, shown in a recognized show means you're in novice) comes into play when deciding which division to put each rider in.

          Like someone else said, they probably had a lot of riders to choose from and picked people with more show experience or they already filled up the lower divisions and needed people for a different level.

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          • #6
            She probably got turned away because they only need open level riders on their team at the moment. IHSA has levels for all, even those who have basicly no riding experience. The levels however above novice are based on how many blues in equitation you have won a at rated show. I believe it's for the open that you need to have won atleast 7 blues.

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            • #7
              The Ridge hit the nail on the head...it just designates what level you are to compete at. And it is possible that they are looking for Open riders at the try-out and if a rider shows once as a open rider, they can never "show down" a division after. She may want to wait for a novice spot as she may be more competitive (from an individual and team aspect) at that level

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              • #8
                I remember taking a 'test' if you will, a written multiple choice deal, when I entered my freshman year and wanted to ride and show at school. This test merely helped the coaches to find out which level I was best qualified for. IHSA needs riders of ALL levels, Walk/trot and on up through. I can remember part of the test saying 'have you received more than x # of blues at a x rated horse show'.. it could be that she was very well qualified for a certain level, but maybe they had a few riders that were already in that level, and are waiting for them to point out of the division. NCAA riding is different.. so it depends what she was trying out for. It's a big no no in the IHSA to allow a rider to show that is overqualified for a division, so it could be that they just didn't have a spot for her 'right now'. Every school is different, some are incredibly picky if they have a large pool of excellent riders to choose from, and limited showing spots. I feel bad for her though.. how aggravating.

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                • #9
                  Yup, what folks are saying is correct:

                  NO, what happened was not pertaining to any IHSA rule. IHSA covers riding abilities from beginner through advanced - and has classes for all levels at the shows.

                  YES, the school probably turned her down because they didn't have a seat open on their team at her level. If she hasn't shown at rated shows (regardless of her experience at home), she will place into a lower level. Due to budgets, many college teams have to limit how many riders they accept onto their team. For example, if the team owns horses and requires all team members to ride their school horses, then the # of riders on the team will be limited by the amount of lessons/rides they can do on the team's horses.

                  Every team is different. Some teams have no $$, have team members ride at any barn they can find, and pack in as many members as they can. Other teams set an official team limit (ex: 3 members per IHSA level) and do try-outs each Fall to determine who will fill those slots.

                  She shouldn't be disappointed. She SHOULD ask why she wasn't selected, so she can work on whatever the reason is for next season.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by farmgirl88 View Post
                    Alright everyone im curious.

                    I was asked to join my college's IHSA Eq Team several times and turned it down always as i am devoted to my 10 horses at home and my familys farm and our horse-barn at school sometimes tends to have a less than pleasant attitude. I didnt feel like paying to be a part of something like that and it was quite expensive. Instead; i have been showing dairy cows and have continued to ride my guys at home...for free

                    I have a sophmore college student who keeps her horse at our farm while she attends school (we both go to the same college). She is a wonderful, wonderful rider and shes been riding for a long time. She went to try out for the Equestrian team and despite her riding ability they turned her away because she hasnt won (i think it was) 7 times at a rated horse show.

                    Is this a REAL IHSA rule? I just had to ask because i really couldnt believe it when i heard it. She didnt grow up riding in a fancy show barn and she never got involved in showing that heavily, and idk, but maybe they couldnt afford to show at that level. How in God's name can someone turn down a rider based on such a rule? That sounds horribly rude and unfair to everyone else who never had that opportunity to show at such a level and to base judgment on a rider based on winning at a rated show just sounds like a horrible way to pick a rider for a team. The girl really is a great rider; but they told her they couldnt choose her based on this criteria.

                    Sounds like a sad situation to me and a very unfair one at that. anyone else experience such a rule?
                    Yes, its a rule -for placement purposes. If the team only had spots in intermediate or open, or she was trying out for intermediate or open then she has to have won a certain number of times over a certain height at a rated show.
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                    • #11
                      I recieved a letter a couple days ago about joining...

                      The Mississippi College Team. Do you guys think I should try out? It's an IHSA team also...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mango7 View Post
                        She probably got turned away because they only need open level riders on their team at the moment. IHSA has levels for all, even those who have basicly no riding experience. The levels however above novice are based on how many blues in equitation you have won a at rated show. I believe it's for the open that you need to have won atleast 7 blues.
                        It's actually not just for equitation - it's any blue ribbons over fences at a recognized show, whether in equitation, hunters, or jumpers.

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                        • #13
                          The standards about your recognized showing record are only to mandate which classes you are restricted from entering, not which you are allowed to enter. For example, in the 2009-2010 IHSA Rulebook, rule VIII, section 8102, it states:

                          --3. Novice riders on the flat are those who have won no more than five Hunter Seat equitation classes on the flat in recognized competitions. Novice riders over fences have won no more than six classes in any over fences class three feet (3’) or higher in recognized competitions. To be eligible for Class 4, Novice Equitation over Fences, riders must have had at least six months continuous professional instruction over fences within the past year.--

                          Similarly, the other levels dictate numbers of ribbons earned at certain levels/in certain classes at recognized competition. But, the rules aren't worded in a way that it is MANDATORY to have won these ribbons, it simply states that riders who HAVE won that many ribbons in the named classes must show in that division. In this example, the only requirement listed is that novice over fences riders must have had 6 months of professional jumping training within the past year.

                          I'm sure more competitive colleges have their own restrictions which include having shown recognized to be a necessity, but by IHSA standards it is NOT a necessity. Trust me--I've seen riders in the open fences divisions who couldn't ride their way out of a paper bag, never mind could have won multiple times in recognized 3'6" classes (not to say that all riders who haven't shown recognized are like that, just an example!).

                          The same is true for IDA. There are restrictions which prohibit people with certain show records from showing at certain levels, but those without show records are certainly allowed to show and in a high level if they choose.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by grandprixjump View Post
                            The Mississippi College Team. Do you guys think I should try out? It's an IHSA team also...
                            Mississippi College rides in the IHSA region with which I am involved (zone 5, region 1). I don't know anything about their program specifically, but I know that they are a small team. Our region is really wonderful to be involved in - extremely competitive but very friendly and welcoming. Some of my best friends to this day (2+ years post-graduation) are people I competeted against at IHSA shows in our region.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mg View Post
                              The standards about your recognized showing record are only to mandate which classes you are restricted from entering, not which you are allowed to enter. For example, in the 2009-2010 IHSA Rulebook, rule VIII, section 8102, it states:

                              --3. Novice riders on the flat are those who have won no more than five Hunter Seat equitation classes on the flat in recognized competitions. Novice riders over fences have won no more than six classes in any over fences class three feet (3’) or higher in recognized competitions. To be eligible for Class 4, Novice Equitation over Fences, riders must have had at least six months continuous professional instruction over fences within the past year.--

                              Similarly, the other levels dictate numbers of ribbons earned at certain levels/in certain classes at recognized competition. But, the rules aren't worded in a way that it is MANDATORY to have won these ribbons, it simply states that riders who HAVE won that many ribbons in the named classes must show in that division. In this example, the only requirement listed is that novice over fences riders must have had 6 months of professional jumping training within the past year.

                              I'm sure more competitive colleges have their own restrictions which include having shown recognized to be a necessity, but by IHSA standards it is NOT a necessity. Trust me--I've seen riders in the open fences divisions who couldn't ride their way out of a paper bag, never mind could have won multiple times in recognized 3'6" classes (not to say that all riders who haven't shown recognized are like that, just an example!).

                              The same is true for IDA. There are restrictions which prohibit people with certain show records from showing at certain levels, but those without show records are certainly allowed to show and in a high level if they choose.
                              This is correct. But I know some schools take the qualification rule seriously to stay competitive (ie- they place you in the lowest division they can, so in order to be in open you had to have won the ribbons). So if the OP's friend was trying out for one of the more competitive teams that was looking to fill an open spot, then yeah, she might have gotten turned down for not having the A wins.


                              and grandprixjump I am also in zone 5 region 1 and it really is wonderful. Great horses, great shows, great competition. I'm a senior at UT (we finish about midway in the rankings every year), but I know a lot of people and coaches from other teams and its a very welcoming environment that is competitive at the same time. I say go for it!
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