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Great LA Times article on grooms' working conditions at Thermal

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  • #21
    Originally posted by countingstrides View Post
    Some of us (many of us???) scrimp and save every penny so we can show. I am certainly not one of those that the writer is talking about. It makes us all sound like a bunch of uncaring, elitist a--holes. I agree that what happened to the grooms is a serious tragedy, but to point the finger at the average-joe competitor is really a bit of an issue for me.
    I don't think he was pointing the finger at the "average-joe" competitor but illustrating the huge disparity btw [some of] the grooms and [some of] the upper echelon of riders/competitor/owners. He didn't say all on either side, but it is there.

    Shame on those who do take advantage of others, and no shame on those who don't.
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    • #22
      Spare me. I hate the LA Times. Based on personal, firsthand experience, the Times will exaggerate or downright lie in order to create a scandalous story to sell more papers and ADVERTISING (remember, SELLING is their FIRST GOAL, NOT REPORING ACTUAL NEWS!), or upset people in an attempt to get their attention - just like they're doing here.

      I'll never pay a bit of attention to story or faux exposee' printed in that paper again.
      --o0o--

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      • #23
        I was so excited to see this article, as I have long thought grooms should be chronicled, be it in a documentary, book, or article. I liked In Service to the Horse, but wanted to see something that focused more in-depth on the labor and immigration issues in the horse industry.

        Personally, I was disappointed. I thought it came in with too much angle and not enough facts.

        In the week following the deaths, the topics of conversation among riders, fans and owners were about the challenging jumping courses and two injured horses that had to be euthanized. Few had heard of the grooms' deaths.

        Did the reporter conduct a poll? If so, why not provide the data?

        I was horrified when I learned of the deaths. I also learned of the tragedy while in KANSAS. HITS may not be so hot in the PR department, but it's not fair to say word and concern didn't spread. The article also makes no mention of the concern for the guys in the car accident but certainly emphasizes the glitz of the circuit.

        It just strikes me as a sloppy article.

        FWIW, I look at the photo and see someone watching how the course rides. Nothing more, nothing less.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by dogchushu View Post
          Heck, does someone who has never seen a horse show even know we wipe our boots prior to going into the ring?
          No, they do not.

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          • #25
            Everyone in my barn knew about the deaths when I got down there week 5. People I talked to at the back gate knew about it. It sounded to me like it was a big topic of discussion. The article does seem to tar all exhibitors with the same brush, though at our barn the grooms are provided with a 2 bedroom condo, a truck to drive and a per diem for food.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Longspot View Post
              HITS may not be so hot in the PR department, but it's not fair to say word and concern didn't spread.
              We all knew the day of. Some sooner than others... but c'mon... this is a horse show... we all know about things BEFORE they happen.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                The article makes it sound like all the owners are either Hollywood celebs or Software company executives.
                huh... I did not read that piece and come away with that impression at all.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                  Does anyone even know if the photos are from Thermal?
                  I wouldn't be surprised if the reporter didn't even go to Thermal.
                  this one stumps me.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                    It said it was awash with Hollywood celebrities and software executives. Later in the article, it talks about $30,000 in fees to enter, VIP brunches, etc. This is the typical rich vs. poor article the LA Times loves. The people would deliver their newspapers make less than the grooms.
                    but the article never stated or implied that a Hollywood celeb or software exec" was the person(s) that employed the grooms. Ever. Yes? or No?

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                    • #30
                      You guys ARE aware of how the horse world, and particularly the H/J world, looks to outsiders, are you not?

                      Heck, *I* was pretty floored when I first started going to A-circuit H/J shows. (Not as a competitor, as a reporter.... ooooh, nasty reporters who just want to make everyone look bad!) I can't imagine how they look to someone who doesn't know horse shows at all.

                      Yes, the article is generalizing about participants, and we're all aware that not everyone who shows on the A circuit is a zillionaire. (Although there certainly are a fair share of those.) But the point was that there is a pretty obvious disparity between even the AVERAGE competitor at Thermal (or any A show) and an average groom.

                      And yes, the photos were actually taken at Thermal, and the reporter did go there.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                        Do you think that every photo printed in a newspaper actually represents a photo taken on location for that particular article?
                        If it is not taken on location, or is not of the actual event being reported, it will be identified as a file photo.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Brydelle Farm View Post
                          I don't think he was pointing the finger at the "average-joe" competitor but illustrating the huge disparity btw [some of] the grooms and [some of] the upper echelon of riders/competitor/owners. He didn't say all on either side, but it is there.

                          Shame on those who do take advantage of others, and no shame on those who don't.
                          "the upper echelon of riders/competitor/owners" get billed for grooming expenses. We THINK we are paying for hotel expenses. Some of us are being billed for a daily food ... Some of us are not.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                            "The deaths of...highlighted the vast divide between the worlds of those toiling in the stables and the wealthy owners and riders who depend on their labor." Get it. Yes or No?

                            If the newspaper was writing a story about the two grooms, they would have done it at the time of the accident. Not two weeks later. The names and ages were mentioned. No background, no backstory on the victims.
                            oh for the love of all things holy... Foireann... why in the world would the LA Times care about the miserable horse show in Bum Frick Thermal. Illegal Immigrants are being taken advantage of everyday ... everywhere... and if you really want to compare the average income of a groom to a bedpan changer... yeah... I'm not sure you want to go there.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Merry View Post
                              As for the portrayal of Indio/Thermal (the fashionable barn dogs, the sod in front of the show barns, the VIP tent buffet, etc.), you have to keep in mind that's what the reporter (a total non-horse/non-horse show person) observed. And that's pretty much how the A-circuit is perceived by the general public. Then we wonder why it's so difficult to get corporate sponsorship.

                              And yet...The major PR machine in the industry - Phelps Sports - deliberately promotes this image TO get corporate sponsorship. Ironic, no?

                              The image of very rich, thin people with staff to handle the smelly beasts IS reality for many people when they visit an A show (or, really, most shows) as a specator. Think about it -- how often does an exhibitor say hello to someone passing by who's not part of "their crowd?" How often is there a volunteer or staffer or even a simple handout to explain to specators what they're seeing? Do any of the BN barns have brochures? Greeters? Someone to explain things? Is there an area where neophytes can see a real live horsie (maybe a retiree, or rescue representative) and get info?

                              Spectators are NOT the focus of shows. Which is fine, but it does create a situation where visitors may take away an impression far from what is best in the long run for The Sport.

                              I think this comment is one worth pondering. Add in the horrible, tragic deaths of these men (and my thoughts and prayers go to their families) and it's not too hard to see why equestrian sports may not have the best reputation. I mean, really, didn't you ever wonder why cheerleading finals get more TV time than equestrian???

                              The only quote that I thought came off half-decent was teh one from the people who directly employed the grooms. Their quote showed some concern for the men and their families at least!

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                                Like it or not, there is a huge (and getting bigger) dispartity between the weathiest 1% and the rest of us. And yes, anyone who can afford to send even one horse to Thermal will be making substatially more than the grooms. There are plenty of horse owners and barns who take very good care of their grooms. And there are some that don't.
                                Exactly. So why the complaining about an article that is highlighting that disparity, and the fact that "there are some that don't"?

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Foireann Eireannach
                                  photos that I know were taken in San Francisco or Los Angeles being passed off as somewhere else. In these days of declining circulation and staff cuts, I'm afraid they cut alot of corners. And I know from personal experience that they often make up facts as they go along. I have read stories that I know consisted of untruths. These articles were in "respected" newspapers, not supermarket tabloids.
                                  Ever consider that it might just have been a mistake?

                                  And speaking of generalizations... as one of the "they" you are speaking of, as well as having a lot of friends who are reporters or editors at big and small publications, perhaps you should consider not extrapolating a couple of bad instances to condemn an entire industry?

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                                  • #37
                                    Hey, if it were blond white people grooming the horses at Thermal for at or below minimum wage (not counting tips), the LA Times wouldn't give it an inch of space - it's all about creating SCANDAL, don't ya know!

                                    Just like the Times' story about those horrible minimum wage jobs at Taco Bell, or Target, or Galpin Ford...oops! those stories don't exist, those companies *paid for advertising space in the Times*...
                                    --o0o--

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                                    • #38
                                      arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhh...

                                      how much do you think the average AShow CIRCUIT groom makes per year? Remember these guys get paid in cash... which means NO IRS.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by SBT View Post
                                        Personally, this photo makes me sad. I realize it's just a brief moment in time, and that everyone needs a boot-wiper (groom/mom/friend/kind stranger paid off with a soda/etc. ) but this girl's sourpuss expression is just...well...sad. I hope it's just nerves, and not lack of respect for the groom.

                                        (Caption: Stable hand Juan Contreras, left, wipes the boots of Jessica Helm as she prepares for a jumping event at Horse Shows in the Sun, an elite equestrian event taking place in Thermal. The desert oasis attracts a large contingent of software executives, Hollywood celebrities, and the children of wealthy families who arrive by air to compete amidst some of the sport’s top athletes by day and party at rented vacation homes by night. (Irfan Khan / LAT))
                                        Ugh. This is why I didn't end up going into journalism. Change the caption and it changes the entire meaning. How about this?

                                        (my rewrite. Sorry for the poor editorial quality... it's been a while!)

                                        Caption: Juan Contreras, left, assists Jessica Helm with final preparations prior to a jumping event at Horse Shows in the Sun, an elite equestrian event taking place in Thermal. The desert oasis attracts a large contingent of equestrian enthusiasts who compete amid the sport's top athletes; the annual event brings millions of dollars to the local economy.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Sarabeth View Post
                                          Just like the Times' story about those horrible minimum wage jobs at Taco Bell, or Target, or Galpin Ford...oops! those stories don't exist, those companies *paid for advertising space in the Times*...
                                          Any decent-sized paper worth a damn, and most certainly the LA Times, has a virtual wall between their ad departments and their editorial departments, for a reason.

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