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  • Pony Hunter

    Coming from Europe, what does a beautiful, 7 or 8 yr. old, 14.2hh pony stallion with perfect form and behavior go for in America?

    Can easily jump 4' courses as well.


    - C

  • #2
    Probably not a lot, we'd have to see that "perfect form" equals the American opinion of perfect form as they can differ. As a stallion it will only appeal to the breeding barns, in which case it needs a documented record of kid proof behavior. Jumping 4' doesn't really add much to the ad as ponies don't jump over 3' here, unless it's the pony jumpers, for which there is no decent market anyway. Plus, breeding quality ponies is something Americans actually do excel at, so there's not a huge shortage of great pony stallions here.

    Hard to say without pics, video and a show record to examine . . . which you can't post because that would be construed at advertising . . . can't really pinpoint a actual dollar amount for you without that. Sorry!
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    • Original Poster

      Hi Dags,

      I hoped you would reply. Thank you very much. That is very helpful nonetheless. I will convey your message. I agree with you about perfect form differing between continents. Especially with hunters, it seems everyone thinks they know, but it is a little more complicated than just pulling the knees up squarely. :-)

      I would like to email you the info (when I finally get it), is that okay? Might take a long time though. BTW, I am not in any way trying to sell the pony, just helping a friend.

      Thanks again,

      - C

      P.S. If the pony is childproof and has good form, what would he go for?


      • #4
        I will be real helpful LOL . What is his breeding? What do his foals look like?
        hunter/jumper ponies


        • Original Poster

          Very funny. I have no idea. I don't think they want to sell him for breeding. More for sport, in this case hunter, purposes.

          - C


          • #6
            He's going to have to be gelded in that case, juniors can't show stallions over here in the pony divisions.

            Without an American record it's just not going to be very much - the Green ponies, which is the stepping stone division to the regular Small, Medium and Large divisions, have taken a real hit, people want proof they can make the lines, handle mistakes, and take care of the charge at the regular division heights before they spend much. I have a Top 10 Green Pony finisher (Pony Finals) in the mid/high 5s who is getting a ton of interest now, but wasn't so much when she was a true green bean at the beginning of the year. She had to go prove herself before people would pay attention.

            Just off someone's word that they have a "great, kidproof pony with perfect form" but no show record I'm already thinking $15K just so I don't get my hopes up. If they show me video that proves all that I'll come up a bit, but until it goes around the show ring here it's still not going to be much. Feel free to send whatever you have through!
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            • Original Poster

              Thanks. I appreciate that. I will let 'm know.


              • Original Poster

                BTW, the pony has shown for years. I saw him when he was 4 in the 3'3'' in the horse division. Now he jumps in 3'6'' classes with a 12-year old. Guess I should have made that clear.


                • #9
                  Hmmm I don't think I'd touch a large that was showing 3'3" @ 4 yrs old.


                  • Original Poster

                    Originally posted by JinxyFish313 View Post
                    Hmmm I don't think I'd touch a large that was showing 3'3" @ 4 yrs old.
                    Well, Europe is different from America.

                    I will see if I am correct though. I think it was 3'3'', but might have been 3'. Horses start at 3'3'' I think. Then, 3'8''. Then, 4'. Then, 4'4''. Then, 4'6''.

                    Local levels are: 1m, 1.10m, 1.20m, 1.30m, 1.35m and 1.40m (4'8''). I have no idea what levels those are in the U.S.

                    Also, he is still sound, so I doubt it hurt him much.


                    • #11
                      When you jump too much and too high, too young...its not early on that soundness issues come up, its when they get to what should be their prime, IME.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Clarence
                        Coming from Europe, what does a beautiful, 7 or 8 yr. old, 14.2hh pony stallion with perfect form and behavior go for in America?

                        14.2? From Europe? What is it's breeding? BRP?
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                        • #13
                          A pony jumping 3'3 means practically nothing in the US, except for possible future lameness issues. Larges jump 3' in the hunters and that is where the money is, not in the pony jumpers. Most people have no reason to jump their ponies any higher than 3' and most people wouldn't think of jumping around their large 4 y/o 3'3" in what must be a jumper class (speed, tight turns, and big jumps are very wearing on a young horse). I don't know of many, if any, larges doing the regular division at 3' as 4 y/o's and that is 8 fences, long and slow.
                          "to live is the rarest thing in the world, most people merely exist."


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Clarence View Post
                            Very funny. I have no idea. I don't think they want to sell him for breeding. More for sport, in this case hunter, purposes.

                            - C
                            geld him and if your 'perfect form' idea is similar to that of american ideals (not to say that american ideals are 'better' just different for what we look for in a hunter) then he should be worth a good price.

                            but if he's not useful for breeding, he's also worthless--juniors cannot show stallions, and pros can't unless it's in unrated divisions i believe--and pros will not buy a pony for themselves to show 99% of the time

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                            • Original Poster


                              I will get back to you on the breeding.


                              Okay, my friend did not enter the horse in those classes. This was before he bought him. Obviously they did not ride him fast.

                              Anyway, the difference between continents is very interesting. I like the go slow approach.


                              • Original Poster


                                What is a good price?


                                • #17
                                  Will be interesting to know the breeding because that would make a big difference in the price.
                                  Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist


                                  • #18
                                    As others have said, wonderful pony jumpers in Europe do not necessarily move like top hunters in the USA which are the ponies that sell for more over here. There is not a huge demand for pony jumpers here at all. Pony stallions can not be shown by juniors and ponies can not compete against other ponies in pony classes unless ridden by a junior. Therefore, what would make this pony most valuable would be his movement - is he a huge, flat mover? And his look - does he have outstanding conformation? Also, does he have any get on the ground showing here in the USA? That is a big factor in marketing a stallion here. And as Randee said, his pedigree might be a big factor if his bloodlines are well known over here.
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                                    • #19
                                      This makes me so sad. Pony jumpers are just what our young riders need.


                                      • Original Poster

                                        Originally posted by LudgerFan View Post
                                        This makes me so sad. Pony jumpers are just what our young riders need.
                                        Yeah, because all those Europeans who started on ponies are such horrible riders.