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  • The "Go-cart" seat?

    I don't want to be rude, but...I’m ...well...I’m confused, I think.

    My 17hh mare is big and forward and all the fun stuff that goes with it but by no means a freight train – she’s sensitive and very well trained and needs nothing more than a snaffle.

    An experienced horsewoman came to try her yesterday, along with her coach who is relatively new at the barn where she boards. The coach hopped on first and I swear I’ve never seen anything like it before:

    His legs were very far forward with heels wayyy down, and his hands were halfway up my mare's neck in mid air, on a very short rein. His shoulders were forward too and it all looked very awkward like he was crouching over some knitting while using a very short rein, or, yeah...driving a go-cart.

    As we watched the woman commented that it’s apparently the new style popular in France and all the riders at her barn are having a heck of a time, adjusting. Normally I give others the benefit of the doubt but could you guys offer some thoughts?
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    Sounds like "trainer hunch" to me.......
    And nothing bad happened!

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    • #3
      LOL!!! in fact ROFLMAO! I have seen this "style" in the hunt field but I would not advocate copying it! Go Cart seat!!! I can't wait to use that!!!
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      • #4
        Too bad you don't have pictures for us to giggle at. Maybe someone can draw stick figures?
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        • #5
          Hehehehe. I would love a picture! The new style in France?
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          • #6
            That I'd like to see!

            I have to say I think these show "Hunters" need to be more flexible in their style. After all, "real" hunters seem to have quite a variety of techniques, including the chicken flap, the one-handed, the lean-back, the grab-the-reins and more. Watch for example minute 1:12 onward in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q5e6K-qU8Q

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            • #7
              I'm picturing someone with this kind of training background:

              http://www.flickr.com/photos/desertn...ns/3930800786/

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              • #8
                LOL what did your horse think?
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                • #9
                  My question too is what did your poor sensitive horse say to him??

                  The picture I got from your decription was somewhat of a saddle seat rider... Just not so upright with the back and shoulders.

                  France huh? I guess it will be all the rage in the hunter ring next year ;-)

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                  • #10
                    holy crud thats scary that this guy is making all the people at her barn do this style.

                    And that hunter video is great! I love the guy in the red coat who over EVERY jump is leaning back. At least he's consistent!

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                      Originally posted by spina View Post
                      I'm picturing someone with this kind of training background:

                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/desertn...ns/3930800786/
                      Oh my! That's it! I swear - that was it - except more hunched over at the shoulders and his legs looked even more bent and forward in the stirrups. Isn’t that odd?!

                      How did my mare react? It really fascinated me, as my mare's head was way up like the horse in the photo link above, and she fussed for the longest time.

                      When the prospective buyer got on, I was so happy to see a more conventional seat and hands and my mare settled into her usual, beautiful way of going. No sooner had they done one circuit before her coach started yelling at her to raise her hands and lean forward...

                      I confess that I later whispered to the woman that I preferred the way my mare was moving with her aboard, and besides, that huge 17hh butt made hers look tiny. I got the larf I aimed for but her eyes told me she heard what I was saying.
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                      • #12
                        There is a person (who claims to follow classical dressage - he says he has students/clients thus the I guess he has the title of instructor) in our area who rides like this although he calls it the 'chair seat' and that this position is proper classical riding. I believe he stated this is the rider position based on Xenophon (spelling?).

                        I do not get it either. Looks out of balence and odd
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                        • #13
                          I've seen a trainer ride in what I can imagine you're trying to describe. If what I'm picturing is correct, this way of riding results in a fussy horse and an unbalanced rider that makes an unbalanced horse. I'm really convinced that proper technique in riding has reached it's peak and cannot imagine the emergence of a 'new and better' form of riding. I not a big fan of fads in riding. It sounds more like an excuse for a person to ride poorly than trying to create his own style.

                          Just watch the Olympic and World Cup riders who do well. I think it would be safe to follow their style and advice. George Morris also has never ending advice on proper riding (he must get tired of sounding like a record player). I'm always cautious of new and radical ideas unless they make clear sense in a mechanical stand point. And even then, you might have to prove it to me. I'm all for keeping an open mind but I also know that there are a lot of people spouting bs...

                          Your poor mare. I hope he didn't do too much damage.

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                            Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                            That I'd like to see!

                            I have to say I think these show "Hunters" need to be more flexible in their style. After all, "real" hunters seem to have quite a variety of techniques, including the chicken flap, the one-handed, the lean-back, the grab-the-reins and more. Watch for example minute 1:12 onward in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q5e6K-qU8Q
                            I'm unsure of your point? Are you making fun of the fox-hunters technique? For the most part I see riders jumping downhill and dealing with it nicely, occasionally on horses that need some encouragment. Sure...it's not Eq-winning style...but it's not frightening either.
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                              Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                              That I'd like to see!

                              I have to say I think these show "Hunters" need to be more flexible in their style. After all, "real" hunters seem to have quite a variety of techniques, including the chicken flap, the one-handed, the lean-back, the grab-the-reins and more. Watch for example minute 1:12 onward in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q5e6K-qU8Q

                              I love the part where the riderless horse trots out. LOL

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by RugBug View Post
                                I'm unsure of your point? Are you making fun of the fox-hunters technique? For the most part I see riders jumping downhill and dealing with it nicely, occasionally on horses that need some encouragment. Sure...it's not Eq-winning style...but it's not frightening either.
                                Not making fun except in the friendliest way - I didn't think it was frightening, just a cute look at the wide variety of ways people deal with jumping (successfully) even when they don't do it picture perfect eq style. Since the topic was on unusual positions.

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                                • #17
                                  That video also makes me want to buy a fox hunter. Looks like tons of fun!

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                                  • #18
                                    Much of the leaning back is actually at a bank. If you land hunched in trappy ground, prepare to meet it! The eq is more eventing style, you ride very defensively. Although that one fellow really is taking it to an extreme!
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                                    • #19
                                      There were definitely some frightening moments in that video, in addition to the hunt/XC style of jumping down hill. There was also a little gray pony that I very badly want!

                                      When I see the saddle seat position it makes me think of a witch on a bicycle for some reason. That saddle seat pic posted should be accompanied by the music from the Wizard of Oz.

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                                      • #20
                                        Scuse me but the guy in the pic had pretty nice posture. Granted the "trainer hunch" takes on a whole extra dimension translated to saddleseat.

                                        So this trainer is using the new style from France eh? Must be related to those Coneheads from the other thread.
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