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  • Would you say something?

    Here's the scene - and yes, under an alter so I don't get recognized.

    At a C show this weekend to get some jumper experience. They have these shows every six weeks or so. They start at 2'6" and max out at 3'3". Lots of really scary 3' rounds, including some jumpoffs that made me want to cry.

    But, here's the big thing. At every one of these shows, this father-daughter team show up with their little eventing pony. Cute pony, jumps its guts out. But they proceed to show this poor little pony in NINE classes per day! As in, the start at the 2'9" classes, and do all the classes from there through the 3'3" classes.

    And its not a good ride either - this girl (wearing a safety vest, btw) simply runs the pony at every dadgum jump. Finally at 3'3" yesterday, the pony started to give out. It just couldn't jump itself out of the horrible spots this kid put it into. In the next to last class, the pony stopped twice, once in the middle of the one-stride, because it simply knew it couldn't save itself. But of course, that didn't stop Daddy and his girl - they went, jumped another five warm-up jumps, and then took the pony BACK IN to make it scramble another round.

    I don't get this - it's not like its a different course when they raise the jumps. It's the same three courses every dang time, just raising it up.

    At what point could/should someone say something? I seriously thought about calling the steward. I've thought about it several times at these shows, especially when the temperature has been in the 90's, and the pony just looks exhausted.

    I'm just frustrated that this little pony is getting worn down, and eventually he's going to have a really bad stop, and someone is going to get really hurt.

    My flame suit is on, so let me know what you think......

  • #2
    I guess this is a replay of the recent thread on overshowing??

    If it was a USEF rated show you can speak with the steward.

    As it seems you were upset I'd hope you did exactly that. If you didn't then it's too late now so what's the point of the thread?


    • #3
      Were you at Sedgefield, KingoftheRoad?
      Originally posted by barka.lounger
      u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

      we see u in gp ring in no time.


      • Original Poster

        As it happens, I was. And the reason for the thread is because I've seen this happen at least the last two of these shows I was at, and I'm sure it will happen again at the next one, so I'm trying to figure out if I should say something or not.



        • #5
          I actually came across the same issue in my city. A couple people approached the stewards after a girl showed her horse in four bigger classes. (two 1.15s and two 1.20s) and they were essentially brushed off with the steward telling them not to be petty just because the girl was winning.
          Personally I understand where youre coming from. Horses already do enough for us as it is, pushing them to the point of exhaustion is unacceptable in my books.


          • #6
            As incorrect as you think that it may be for the girl to jump her pony around so much, I don't know that it would be worth saying anything. Chances are that the steward won't or can't do anything about it, and unless it is stated in the prize book that you can only enter [x] amount of classes, there unfortunately wouldn't really be official grounds for comments. With that said, I personally think that 9 classes a day is a tad bit too much.


            • #7
              I hate to see this happen. Unfortunately there are people out there that don't understand what they are doing. It upsets me too!! You could try saying something just to make you feel like you tried to stop it but I don't know if anything could be done. However, maybe if it is even just brought to the owner's attention they will recognize how wrong it is and take it easy next time. It's worth a try because seeing something as irresponsible as this shouldn't put a damper on your show, it should never happen!


              • #8
                well, our local associations have a 7 jumping class per day limit...sounds like you should bring that up to your local assoaciation.
                "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"


                • #9
                  Perhaps suggesting a rule change to the appropriate committee or management person would help. You can always contend that cross entering every division seems a bit... unsporting.

                  Personally, I would say something to the steward; I believe that we have rules about the welfare of the horse as well as sportsmanlike behavior that they could invoke if they chose.

                  This is the form that is used: http://www.usef.org/documents/compet...essAbusRpt.pdf
                  We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.


                  • #10
                    Talk to them directly...

                    Are you a pro by chance? Do these people come with a trainer?

                    Maybe they just don't know better, don't have any help and need some guidance. Maybe you could approach them next time, compliment the pony, make a statement about the appropriate fence height, give them your card and HELP THEM!!

                    I hate seeing things like this too. In my experience They'll either welcome your approach or be put off. You've got a 50/50 chance of improving the pony's life. And thank goodness the kid is wearing a vest if it's that scary!!


                    • #11
                      I DO feel very sorry for the horses that are victims of this, but on the other hand... isn't it Darwins most famous law? They will kill themselves off eventually...


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lkramer View Post
                        I DO feel very sorry for the horses that are victims of this, but on the other hand... isn't it Darwins most famous law? They will kill themselves off eventually...
                        Its just to bad they'll take a nice pony with them.

                        Bring it up the steward, bring it up to the show management. As was said, maybe the organization will consider a rule change.


                        • Original Poster

                          No, I'm not a pro - I'm another amateur who had my horse there, but I think, and correct me if anyone else was there and I'm wrong, I think it was bleedin' obvious to everyone there that the pony had run out of gas, and yet they continued to push it to go around the same course yet again. When the pony stopped in the middle of the one-stride, because it had to scramble to put two strides in to be able to jump out of the combination and it was just too tired, that would have been my stopping point.

                          But instead these people went right back in to do it again. For a medium sized pony, 3'3" is already a stretch. But 3'3" after doing five other classes, including some screaming fast jumpoffs, is just asking too much.

                          I'm trying to figure out whether I ought to try and get in touch with show management before the next show to see if they can change the rules ahead of time. But then, I wish I could envision some world where I could go say something to the dad, and actually have him listen, rather than just get defensive/stupid.....


                          • #14
                            KingOfTheRoad - I competed against this girl on Sunday in the 3' (I did two 2'6 and one 3' and I couldn't have imagined putting my little girl through another class). Yes it was painfully obvious that that little pony was jumping his guts out. It seems to be a father daughter team there without a trainer. The kid actually told me she is aiming for Pony Finals 2011 with that pony (who surprisingly enough is a large). I left after the 3' and I figured that pony would be done too.

                            I'm not sure if there is any way to achieve what you hope will come of talking to them or anyone, but know that you are not alone in seeing what you saw.


                            • #15
                              ^So maybe BOTH of you should bring it up to management next time.


                              • #16
                                The folks at Sedgefield have been known to ban people from their shows in the past for scary and dangerous riding....I would bring it up to managment.


                                • #17
                                  What a terrible shame and what a way to burn out the pony. Even though show management is protected by law, wouldn't there be a liability issue here for the grounds owners? What is said pony seriously injures this child by stopping?

                                  I agree, band together and see if more than one complaint can help the pony out. I would never dream of asking our medium pony to jump 3'3" and she can do it, but not 12 times in one course, let alone more than that.

                                  We have a girl who competes on our circuit in both the 2'3" open divisin and the 2'3" pony hunter making her grand total on the day like 14 classes, 3 flatting and 10 jumping. Pony is so tired at the end of they day they have screamed at her to spur a hole in him. Poor pony!


                                  • #18
                                    If it were me: I would step in the next time I witnessed this.
                                    Talk to the dad-
                                    How old is the girl?

                                    I assume the child is not winning/placing very often? If you don't think this guy would listen to reason, I always try the "throwing good money after bad" route.

                                    They keep going to shows, entering tons of classes-which is not cheap. To lose. You said the pony is a nice pony-which means that either they paid money for it, or the kid has had some coaching in the past.
                                    "The Friesian syndrome... a mix between Black Beauty disease and DQ Butterfly farting ailment." Alibi_18


                                    • #19
                                      While I disagree that 3ft3 is too big for ponies, I do agree that too many classes is bad! BUT, I believe that it is not your place to approach the child, their trainer (if they have one) of the parents. Do what others have advised, and bring it up to the association. They may be very willing to add a rule with a limit to how many classes can be done in one day, or some other rule that will help with the over showing of horses!

                                      For example, our Provincial assocation set up a rule after a number of complaints, that if you won more 3 championships at 3ft3 with the same horse & rider then you couldn't show in that division anymore unless you rode a different horse!
                                      Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't Do It!


                                      • #20
                                        I also disagree that 3'3 is too big for ponies. I'm almost certain that the ponies jump 3'9 in the final rounds at pony finals. I know my mare is 14.2h and is barely challenged at all by the 3'3 fences we have done. I mentioned in my post that her pony is a large. 14.1 1/8h the kid told me. The girl is young, maybe 13 and it seemed like they weren't with a trainer. I saw kid leading dad around on the pony by the trailer. Seemed more like ignorance than trying to ask to much of the pony. The kid loves her pony and has high hopes for them as a team. The pony was not fancy by any means, but tries its little heart out. I left after the 3' like I said so I hadn't really given her a second thought. I hadn't thought she was going to continue so I didn't really give it much thought til I read this thread.