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  • Getting pony to measure in

    I did a search for something similar but couldn't find one.

    Anyway, I've been given the oppurtunity to show a super fancy pony, IF i can get him to measure in as a large pony.

    He's estimated to be 14.3 (broken stick)but with very high withers.. he definately looks like a pony, so no reason we should be protested.. I'm looking for any tricks we can try to get this thing to measure in! Obviously we'll try the pulling the shoes, trimming the feet, practicing alot to make him relax BUT do any of you know of any special (HUMANE) tricks that have worked for you? I'm not talking chopping his withers off or any of that horrible stuff people talk about, or medication etc. etc. Just quick tips!

    Not looking to start a train wreck!

    TIA!!
    Last edited by fxhillfarm; Sep. 15, 2009, 05:18 PM. Reason: more specific info.

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    Oh, boy, do you really want to throw yourself out for slaughter like that? Don't you know that on this BB there are questions you JUST CAN'T ASK? Find a pony trainer to ask and delete your question, quickly, before the feeding frenzy begins!
    Laurie

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lauriep View Post
      Oh, boy, do you really want to throw yourself out for slaughter like that? Don't you know that on this BB there are questions you JUST CAN'T ASK? Find a pony trainer to ask and delete your question, quickly, before the feeding frenzy begins!
      haha!!! so true - BUT here's the answer. A lot of extra height is nerves. So, Yes, practice, practice, practice. And get a measuring tape and measure your stick. The unofficial ones can be as much as 1/4 to 1/2 inch off (mine was over 1/4 off). Figure out where the real 14.2 is. For practice, use the same halter and lead rope you will use to have him measured in. Teach him to walk right into the BEST position for him. Play around at home with with back legs as well - they can make a difference. Play around with the head - poll level with the withers is not always the best spot. And I mean practice - every day, twice a day for weeks - until when he feels that stick on him he sighs like its a massage. LOL. AND then have strangers practice on him. Once you can reliably get the measure at home, youre ready for step 2. If you arent sure you can ask a local steward if they would mind showing you exactly where/how to position the stick. (if he has shoes measure the shoes and subtract)

      Now since you have to have him measured at a show, make sure he's been to some shows,so it's not a big deal. Now ride him and work him on the flat. Give him a bath. Put him away and let him eat hay. Now ride him again, and jump a bunch of small jumps. Put him away and then take him to be measured. Take him early to the spot so he has time to look around and relax. If his head is not in your lap with one leg resting, he's too fresh and interested.

      Finally, pick a show where you are the only pony likely to get measured. This way the vet and steward have lots of time and are willing to work with you. Dont go to a show the beginning of Dec when every one is also getting their green ponies measured.
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      • #4
        or you could send it to a big "A" show pony barn and "ask for a favor".. LoL
        Don't spur a willing horse - Anon.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by thegirlwonder View Post
          or you could send it to a big "A" show pony barn and "ask for a favor".. LoL
          Um, or you could just be HONEST and show him for what he is...a small hunter. But really what would be the sportsmanship is in THAT, right?

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          • #6
            Just gonna throw this out there....

            If you get a large measurement, even with a permanent card (6 yrs old or over), that doesn't mean someone can't protest your pony and have it remeasured. And if found to be a hony, all those points you've earned throughout the year are worthless since you now have to move to a horse division. Although I believe you can appeal a measurement, I'm not 100% positive on the process and there's no guarantee you'd win.

            I have a pony that stands 14.2 1/2 with shoes that could easily go large with the right set up, shoes off, etc. But she looks like a horse in EVERY way except the height. So should we "luck out" and get that card, it is quite possible people are going to piss and moan about it and I could end up getting remeasured. That is why it is so important that your pony consistently measure under, without all the "trickery", as you never know when you could get measured again.
            Last edited by englishivy; Sep. 14, 2009, 09:10 AM. Reason: poor proof-reading!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cranky Agnes View Post
              Um, or you could just be HONEST and show him for what he is...a small hunter. But really what would be the sportsmanship is in THAT, right?
              LoL its not something I would ever do with one of my ponies, but there was a time and I guess its still done - where one trainer would send another a "pony" to be measured and because one steward or another owed them a favor that "pony" would measure. I remember when I rode at a hunter barn in SC, we got in a pony "to sell" that had shown against me all year and beaten me out as Champion to my Reserve at almost every show in the Green Ponies.. needless to say that when we "stuck" that pony - he was every inch of 15.1hh. Fortunately that trainer had morals and sent the pony back from whence he came.
              Don't spur a willing horse - Anon.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by englishivy View Post
                Just gonna throw this out there....

                If you get a large measurement, even with a permanent card (6 yrs old or over), that doesn't mean someone can't protest your pony and have it remeasured. And if found to be a hony, all those points you've earned throughout the year are worthless since you now have to move to a horse division. Although I believe you can appeal a measurement, I'm not 100% positive on the process and there's no guarantee you'd win.

                I have a pony that stands 14.2 1/2 with shoes that could easily go large with the right set up, shoes off, etc. But she looks like a horse in EVERY way except the height. So should we "luck out" and get that card, it is quite possible people are going to piss and moan about it and I could end up getting remeasured. That is why it is so important that your pony consistently measure under, without all the "trickery", as you never know when you could get measured again.
                I agree--you can be protested & most likely will if pony really looks that big (and is). Not sure how many times you can be protested, but is that something you are going to always want to be dealing with?
                "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                • #9
                  Why don't you just show as a horse in the Children's Hunters rather than screwing around with the hony to get it to measure a large? It's the same height. And if your hony should get down the children's lines..
                  Sarah A. Ward

                  Washington and Lee University Riding

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                  • #10
                    FWIW - there are a lot of oversized ponies out there and very few get protested.......

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                    • #11
                      Agree with ponymom

                      and to wyldhorseb- its $$$

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                      • #12
                        Don't you have to pay to protest?? Surely that limits the protests? An inch is a lot to take off in a measurement from what I've been told.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ponymom64 View Post
                          FWIW - there are a lot of oversized ponies out there and very few get protested.......
                          agreed

                          There I can list several horses showing in the pony divisions right now.

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                          • #14
                            Try to find a farrier that specializes in AQHA horses; they tend to be really good at making the hooves as small as physically possible.

                            To the OP, I feel your pain. I ride a SUPER fancy pony that would be capable of being competetive at pony finals, etc. but we are afraid she just may be 14.3.
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                            • #15
                              There are plenty of LEGAL ways to get a "hony" to measure in. If everything done is legal (hacking out, making sure they're relaxed, etc), then I'm not sure where the lack of sportsmanship lies?
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                              • #16
                                Many people do things to make a hony a pony. I say if it's a matter of removing shoes, trimming the feet and hacking out, go for it.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by ponymom64 View Post
                                  FWIW - there are a lot of oversized ponies out there and very few get protested.......
                                  Ummm...not exactly...and it can be quite spectacular as it was at Indoors a few years back when a bunch were remeasured-and busted. IIRC that was a mandatory remeasure for all???

                                  Happens more then you think, people just don't care to share that little tidbit with a buyer. Or they change the name and come back as "Green" in their new division, at least until somebody gets fed up and protests or threatens to do so and it disappears from the Pony ranks. But most sell them as SS mounts and sometimes the Mediums and Smalls that measure over can go to Children's Ponies. But not a Large that measures over, it's a lesson Pony.

                                  For the OP here, an INCH is alot to make disappear and I am afraid nobody is in the yellow pages under "Pony Trainers that will "make 'em fit". Doubt most of the reputable ones will take one that is a full inch over on. because the only tricks that would work for that much over are....questionable. The "super special" tricks...are places you do not want to go.

                                  And you can and WILL get protested and remeasured. But only of you are good, nobody cares if you suck. Plus it costs to get the measure and it will cost more to get a Pro to try to get it under that stick...and if it busts at that measure? Waste of money.

                                  Awful lot af cavalier statements thrown out there about this that really don't reflect the majority. Yeah, some cheat-but that would probably be about the only way you could lose a whole inch, plus a little more so you don't bust a protest remeasure.

                                  1/4 to 1/2"? yeah. Shoes off, shave the HAIR off the wither, get 'em a little, or alot, tired and try to get it measured on a warm day, PM preferably. And tons of practice with that official stick with the swing arm.
                                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                  The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                  • #18
                                    I don't know if it's diff w/ ponies, but last month my trainer had a small junior hunter get measured (it was a HARD measure) and this is what she did:

                                    1. practise at home

                                    2. pick a HOT day. and not tuesday, when you just get to the show. thursday is better.

                                    3. ride the pony until he is tired

                                    4. take the shoes off, trim the feet a little short, clip the withers with a #50 blade.

                                    5. put him on the lunge line. ideally a slow trot for 30-40 mins. relaxation is the goal! not death

                                    6. give him his normal show meds

                                    7. once on the concrete, does it have a slight slope? turn him around so the steward is on the high side.

                                    8. get him to stand out- pet him, rub his ears, get him to yawn while steward measures

                                    9. pray!

                                    Good luck! remember, if you take the shoes off, ask the vet to let you jog on the grass, not the rocks!
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                                    • #19
                                      Yeah but....

                                      You do NOT get to pick when that measurement will be done. The show scheduals it...and that schedual is posted AFTER the office opens for check ins...and that posted time and place can CHANGE depending upon availabliity of the show vet and steward. Above poster got lucky on the time there.

                                      Measurement is only done at USEF rated shows and not at all of them. You must be entered in at least one class which means that, even if you scratch, it's going to cost you and you usually (depending on where you are) will need to get a stall to wait for them to figure out the when part during a 5 day show or if you get there and they move it back a day.

                                      If you bust, there is a process where you can appeal and remeasure...which pretty much means a repeat of the above with a likely repeat of the costs involved-and the result.

                                      Again, most of the more reputable won't intentionally buy one without a permanent card that is questionable (and more then a few carry a stick with them Pony shopping parmanent card or not) and cannot imagine they would take one on for an outside short term client that is a full inch over.

                                      The Pony trainer does not want to present one that measures over-2 hours and everybody in the barn knows and that is not the kind of impression that bodes well.
                                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by findeight View Post
                                        Ummm...not exactly...and it can be quite spectacular as it was at Indoors a few years back when a bunch were remeasured-and busted. IIRC that was a mandatory remeasure for all???

                                        Happens more then you think, people just don't care to share that little tidbit with a buyer. Or they change the name and come back as "Green" in their new division, at least until somebody gets fed up and protests or threatens to do so and it disappears from the Pony ranks. But most sell them as SS mounts and sometimes the Mediums and Smalls that measure over can go to Children's Ponies. But not a Large that measures over, it's a lesson Pony.

                                        For the OP here, an INCH is alot to make disappear and I am afraid nobody is in the yellow pages under "Pony Trainers that will "make 'em fit". Doubt most of the reputable ones will take one that is a full inch over on. because the only tricks that would work for that much over are....questionable. The "super special" tricks...are places you do not want to go.

                                        And you can and WILL get protested and remeasured. But only of you are good, nobody cares if you suck. Plus it costs to get the measure and it will cost more to get a Pro to try to get it under that stick...and if it busts at that measure? Waste of money.

                                        Awful lot af cavalier statements thrown out there about this that really don't reflect the majority. Yeah, some cheat-but that would probably be about the only way you could lose a whole inch, plus a little more so you don't bust a protest remeasure.

                                        1/4 to 1/2"? yeah. Shoes off, shave the HAIR off the wither, get 'em a little, or alot, tired and try to get it measured on a warm day, PM preferably. And tons of practice with that official stick with the swing arm.
                                        Ummmm, we've spent a lot of time standing by the pony ring over the years and without thinking very hard, I can come up with quite a few that are horses and are still showing in the large ponies.

                                        I'm pretty sure the big "bust" you were talking about was when Emerson was still alive so it was a least 8 or 10 years ago if not more. I don't think there has been a major crackdown at Indoors since then.

                                        A whole inch is definitely a lot to get off but I do know of at least one over sized pony a few years ago that had a BNT present it to the steward and away it walked with its' permanent large pony card. It definitely helps to go the BNT route and honestly, if you are in a small barn - I would say you might be more at risk of being protested than if you were with one of the BNB (big name barns) that deal in ponies with other BNB all the time.

                                        Would *I* present a pony that was an inch over? No, I wouldn't, but if you know the right trainer, it can be done and if the pony stays in the right barn it will stay a large pony forever. Just sayin'

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