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  • OTTB critique - potential project horse

    This guy is a 2 y.o. 16 hd gelding that I'm thinking of getting as my next project horse. What do you think?

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    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ra/Pancho1.jpg
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  • #2
    Wow! I would buy him!

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    • #3
      The only thing I don't love is his throatlatch, but I really like him. I bet he grows more too.
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      • #4
        I'm not a confirmation expert but...

        He looks straight in the stifles, and in those pictures his neck looks a little bit short. Other then that he looks like a handsome lad.

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        • #5
          A wee bum high, and straight through the hind leg (some of this looks to be from the way he's standing or heel height, in on a blackberry so its hard to tell) other than that I like him
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          • #6
            he's a little bit goose-rumped. sort of high at the croup but low tail head placement. smallish hocks, thick in the throat latch,

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            • #7
              I guess it depends on what your discipline(s) is/are.

              Do not see any glaring conformation flaws, though I would like to see him head on, and from behind.

              He is only 2 so, if it is not just the picture, his being a little downhill will change. For me, which is not really a flaw in his case, more a personal preference, is that I like a lot more in front of me, and though his neck is not short, I would prefer more neck. I would like to see bigger, flatter hocks, a little more gaskin, a slightly lower stifle, which I guess all together equates to a little more angle in his hind end, as he is just a little camped out.

              All that being said he seems to still have a fair bit of growing to do so he could change a bit. One thing I would look at though, is with him being so young, he is looking a little like a mature horse in his chest, and I may be a little concerned that he will get a little heavy in front.

              Nothing glaring though, and though you can see things in a horses conformation, you still really need to see them move to be able to tell whether waht you see is true.

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              • #8
                Drool! And he has a lot more growing and filling out to do! Go for it!
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPg2TKh9n1w

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hauwse View Post
                  I guess it depends on what your discipline(s) is/are.

                  Do not see any glaring conformation flaws, though I would like to see him head on, and from behind.

                  He is only 2 so, if it is not just the picture, his being a little downhill will change. For me, which is not really a flaw in his case, more a personal preference, is that I like a lot more in front of me, and though his neck is not short, I would prefer more neck. I would like to see bigger, flatter hocks, a little more gaskin, a slightly lower stifle, which I guess all together equates to a little more angle in his hind end, as he is just a little camped out.

                  All that being said he seems to still have a fair bit of growing to do so he could change a bit. One thing I would look at though, is with him being so young, he is looking a little like a mature horse in his chest, and I may be a little concerned that he will get a little heavy in front.

                  Nothing glaring though, and though you can see things in a horses conformation, you still really need to see them move to be able to tell whether waht you see is true.
                  Exactly what I was thinking.

                  He's a cutie though, anything under 3 years old is hard to get a picture of them looking decent.

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                  • #10
                    I'd say go for it, he's a great looking two year old, and I like when they have a little more
                    "heft" to them. Makes you think they're not going to break on you, lol.
                    "On the back of a horse I felt whole, complete, connected to that vital place in the center of me...and the chaos within me found balance."

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                    • #11
                      He's a big stout 2 year old.

                      A bit too straight through the gaskin and the hock but I wouldn't kick him out of my barn.

                      I really like him and I'm a hardass...

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                      • #12
                        He's downhill. If he was a WB, I might take a chance. TB? It's a risk. A lot of them stay downhill.

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                          #13
                          This is him as a yearling if that helps any. He has a great temperament and is a fairly cute mover.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JCIbarra View Post
                            This is him as a yearling if that helps any. He has a great temperament and is a fairly cute mover.

                            http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...osGirlSale.jpg
                            He's looks a lot stronger in the gaskin there, so he may just being going through another goofy growth spurt. His neck has also come a long way, and he's much more uphill. The way he's growing, I think he'll end up very nice. Get him!

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                            • #15
                              I don't disagree with anything other posters have written. However he is appealing and solid. He seems to have been very well cared for too....

                              With his being this big at 2, I would go very slowly with him as a 3 yr old. He will grow some more and may have an awkward spurt or 2...

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Go Fish View Post
                                He's downhill. If he was a WB, I might take a chance. TB? It's a risk. A lot of them stay downhill.
                                At 2 yrs old, many of them are down hill. My TB grew until he was about 5 then filled out for another year.

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                                • #17
                                  I agree with the above...He is really not that down hill. And a 2 yr old that big and solid is bound to grow in one direction then the other...

                                  My paint was down hill at 2 and now that he is 5, he's squared up and a solid 16.2.

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                                  • #18
                                    Just curious, what is his pedigree?
                                    “It's about the horse and that's it.” - GM

                                    !! is the new .

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                                    • #19
                                      I think good temperment is top of the list. He's nice for a OTTB 2yr old. Unless you're looking for a conformation hunter, I'd go with him. I assume he is reasonably priced. He should fill out nicely & probably grow a bit.

                                      Just curious- why is he an OTTB at 2?

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                                      • #20
                                        I like this horse a lot. He looks like an athlete, he stands like an athlete. For a two year old TB (or a mature one, for that matter!), you won't find a better set-on neck, and I can't stress enough the importance of that on a TB. I think because he is a little thicker in the throatlatch and more muscled in the neck in general it only looks short, especially as he carries himself very proudly with a higher head and neck. It is certainly of adequate length. I find the set of the neck infinitely more important than the length....the longest, snakiest neck in the world becomes a huge disadvantage if it's set on too low. I also like the length of his humerus and its more vertical orientation, making for more open, freer angles. This horse will have a very good front end over fences. Because of his more sloping croup he has a hip joint situated quite low in relation to the point of rotation of his scapula...this is actually where you look at the uphill/downhill aspect of the horse. The location of the hip joint is what determines how well a horse can step under and lift its mass; it's the fulcrum. A low hip joint also predisposes a horse to having a good uphill canter with a lot of jump and swing. Of course, once they start racing that can be lost for a time and you have to work hard at getting it back. But with his great form-to-function conformation, it shouldn't be a problem. THe second photo he does look too straight in the stifle, but I think it's an awkward moment with the leg not fully loaded, and not truly representative.

                                        Do NOT buy this horse if you want a hunter. He will not likely move like one with that long, upright humerus. He would likely also be a bit too quick in general, even though I anticipate him jumping very well. I would expect him to do very well in dressage (of course TB's generally lack the suspension to compete with the WB's at more than the lower levels but it can certainly be improved with careful gymnastic flatwork) but he strikes me as a future low/high child/AA jumper that would absolutely SMOKE the competition in the jumpoff. I would buy him in a heartbeat with a clean vetting...ESPECIALLY if he has Ribot anywhere in his pedigree (and I suspect he does), even up to six generations back.

                                        On a side note, with his muscling and his very strong, short back, I would anticipate him being prone to tightness. Good, relaxed work taking care to keep his back soft would be key. And probably routine chiro/acupuncture.

                                        Keep us informed!

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