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  • Hunter stallion critique

    nevermind
    Last edited by Miss Behave'n; Sep. 2, 2009, 07:03 PM.

  • #2
    That's a hefty list! I don't really know much about breeding at all but I seem to recall hearing that grey+chestnut could likely = grey foal. Don't quote me on it though. Good luck picking one!
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      nevermind
      Last edited by Miss Behave'n; Sep. 2, 2009, 07:04 PM.

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      • #4
        That Black Tie looks like the Black Tie at our barn
        http://i32.tinypic.com/dm67ms.png
        So weird!

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        • #5
          It looks like you are off to a great start. You certainly have a lot of nice stallions to choose from.
          I had a Escapade foal this year and she is everything and more than I hoped for. She is super easy to work with and just loves people.
          Good luck choosing a stallion for your girl. This is the fun part.
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          This is her a 1 1/2 months
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          1 month
          http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...0260_98790260/
          1 week
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Miss Behave'n View Post
            For those of you who dont know Roxy is my mare, she is a 16hh chestnut Oldenburg.
            In a lot fo these pictures PLEASE excuse her condition i know that she was severly under muscles that was because we were with the wrong trainer at the wrong time.





            i would like to be breeding Roxy in '11 (as of right now, would depend of situation) for a '12 baby. By then she will most likely be ready to be a long stirrup horse to pack around some kid that wants to give her lots of kisses and win in the show ring. By then i will be working and driving, and im the type of person that if there is a goal that i want to set, it will work everyday of my life if i have to. So no comments on that will be needed.

            Roxy is definitely a hunter girl. Although she has done some of the eq. medals and done very well, placing in the top 3. But for the baby i will be looking for a 100% hunter. Im not going to be worried about something that can do everything, just hunters and keep in mind im looking for something for the "A" circuit.
            What im looking for in the stud is mainly to pull out some of roxys conformation flaws. I would like something that is a nice build but not something that is super thick. Roxy has a very big build so something that is a bit more refined wouldnt be a downer especially a nice elegant neck. I also am going to be very careful about legs. Roxy has shorter legs then what i would like to see in the baby, so a stud with long legs would be a huge plus . Roxy does have a very nice head, hip and back/withers. So i think my main goal would be a stud with a little bit more refined build, not so much TB build but just not something that's a cow and something with nice long legs. I am generally looking for a warmblood rather than TB.

            Now what i would love love love, is lots of chrome. Im a sucker for white socks and some white on the face. Im more geared towards the chestnuts, blacks and then bays. Im not a fan of greys but i will take a look if you have any in mind. Something over 16.1hh .. i know its stupid to make fuss but it does make a difference. Roxy is 16hh and i would love something i smidge bigger. But again there are exceptions.
            i think that is it.

            Now the studs. Here are some that i have looked at and have on my list that i like. I also have my comments above the link. The decision is going to take me forever. Im looking for a stud fee of $2500 and under.


            Not all of these am i even considering just throwing out there that i have looked at them

            of course, first one that comes to mind is Popeye K. Would die for the flashy socks and jump but i would be worried because he seems to have a little bit of a short neck and he does seem to throw that to his babies. Then i also dont know if its the effect of all the white on his legs, and its playing games with my eyes but im not a fan of his trot which again i heard his does throw a ugly trot once in a while, its not as flowy as i would like. His canter is nice and his jump is gorgeous! So im going back and forth on what i think about him.



            Paparazzo
            Again i would be a little bit worried about the neck, it's pretty short and not very elegant at all. Although i do love his jump and even though he doesnt have a ton of chrome there is something that catches my eye. I also wasnt a huge fan of his trot or canter, his walk though was fairly nice, and over fences he was amazing.
            http://www.onthebitfarm.com/paprazzo.htm
            http://www.hanoverian.org/artman2/uploa ... arazzo.jpg

            Don Alfredo
            I like his neck and shouler a lot more than i do Paparazzo but his cannon bones are short and that is a big blow for me because that is what i will be hoping the baby does not pick up. I love him over fences, he has a lovely flowly hunter canter and his trot, i didnt see a lot of but also looked nice. He's also got nice hind socks and he;s a chestnut which for some reason chestnuts have grown on me. But i just dont think i could breed him with his cannon bones being so short.


            Cunningham
            I love this guys conformation. his neck is a little bit more elegany than most of the hunter studs, cute head, nice hip, nice legs. What i dont like is that he is grey. Im not sure ow coloring works but i'dbe praying i dont end up with a grey baby haha. As far as movement goes, i do like his canter and over fences. I've yet to see his trot. Overall though he is one of the studs that i do like


            Carbardino
            I think he has a fantastic jump but he's definitely not a hack winner and im not sure if i have a mare that is already good on the flat, why should a get a stud that isnt going to make it better and if anything make it less than what i want. His trot isnt horrible but its his canter that really bothers me. So im not sure about him. Over fences he is amazing and i also do like him conformation wise



            Red Wine
            Im soo dissappointed. I really like this stud. But because he has a EVA virus its a no go for me. He is really thick and doesnt have the greatest hind end but i just lovee his flashiness.



            Escapade
            Gorgeous stud! I really like his legs, neck and head but his hip isnt the best. He is super cute on the flat and over fences so i really like that he has everything going for him. Definitely one im going to consider and keep in mind

            This shows his neck a little better but his hind end is ickkk. Im guessing this is from when he was younger


            Here his neck looks a little bit thicker and not as elegant but his hind end looks mucchh better


            He is younger so it should be interesting to see how he turns out when he gets older and more experienced


            Davignport
            absolutely phenominal mover. I couldnt take my eyes off of him! Stunning neck and head and great conformation all around. Only downer is that he is only 16.1, its not a bad thing and i dont shy away from it but even though its good i would have been IN love in he was a little bit taller. Also, he isnt a hunter or jumper he is a dressage horse so that would worry me. But seeing videos of his offspring he throws some amazing hunter horses and they have all been succesful. He has a huge, springy, flowy trot and his canter is amazing. But again he has a free jumping picture but there's nothing stateing that im going to get a nice looking horse over fences.
            i do love this guy though. gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous



            Bonfeuer
            Lovely all around horse. He's got the movement and jump which are all very nice for the hunter ring. But his conformation just doesnt do if for me from the picture i have, plus he's a grey which i dont like

            whoever took this picture shouldnt be in the business


            Lissabon
            oh my god. he is to die for. They dont have a video, all they have is a couple over fences pictures which he looks amazing over. He looks to have nice conformation im just wondering how he looks on the flat.



            Apiro
            Gorgeous. I love him. His neck is a little short but he's got a nice head, nice hip and super cute head. I love him under saddle, he's got a lot of chrome and catches your eye and is lovely over fences. Great expression.
            Definitely one that im keeping in mind.

            His neck actually looks really nice here


            Amoreux
            can you talk about LEGS. holy moly. He is very refined which typicaly i would not like but i feel like with roxy that could come out to be a good thing because is built so big. From the very short part of the video that wasnt in freakin slow motion he seemed to have very nice movement. He didnt hae a lot of knee action as i though he would. But i couldnt tell a lot since it was like 3 seconds long. They also dont give a confo shot and there isnt a picture of him over fences



            Aloha
            Oh he is so cute. His neck is a little short and not as elegant as i would like.
            He's really cut over fences but im not sure what i think about him on the flat ..?



            Ragtime
            I think he is super cute. He is very extreme over fences and has a nice trot. His canter im not crazy about though. There also isnt a conformation shot.



            Pasalongo
            He might be a bit to thick for what im looking for but it is hard to tell. Trot im not a fan of, canter is ok and he seems to look nice over fences but i dont like his approach



            Black Tie
            I think he is really cute. I would need to see more of him. I also dont know if im a face of his neck for my mare.



            As Always
            i cant find any info. on him. does anyone know where i can?


            Dumont
            How cute is he?? His neck would worry me with my mare though. He's cute over fences, nothing spectacular but there isnt a video of him on the flat.



            Ok so comments, more to add etc. ?
            sorry if i got off topic in a few places
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            • #7
              You can't really tell much about your mare from your pictures. Try to get some better conformation shots, without bandages and with just a halter or bridle w/out flash. Be sure to take some from front and behind, too.

              There is a little known stallion here in VA, Nob Hill, that we have had great luck with, and have liked nearly all of his kids that we have seen. He ALWAYS does an elegant neck, good movement, correct legs, nice temperaments (although he himself had a rep for being tough, his kids are as sweet as can be). He does a reasonable amount of chrome, ususally. And his nicest kids so far have come out of a VERY heavy, but beautiful, Alla Czar mare.

              We have a 2 y.o. colt and his yearling full brother, both bright chestnuts with plenty of white. The 2 y.o. was reserve BYH at Devon this year, a lovely mover and easy to deal with. Little brother is following in his footsteps. We have seen this year's brother, who turned out plain bay, and another chestnut colt bred by someone else that we covet. Very consistent quality.

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              • #8
                You really should post this in the Sport Horse Breeding Forum......Those guys really know their stuff. They love to play matchmaker! Good luck, lovely mare!

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                • #9
                  As far as grey goes, progressive grey (all grey horses are born another color, mine chestnut with two hind white socks and a stripe and snip) is the most dominant color gene. So, if you breed a grey horse, you have at least a 50% chance of getting a foal that will eventually turn grey. If one of the horses is homozygous for grey, such as Fuerst Gotthard, all of the foals will eventually grey. I love a nice grey horse. It is unfortunate that they fade as they get older (progressive grey), so what you start out with is not how they stay. My older mare (dam of the youngster) was a lovley dappled grey with dark points on her hocks and knees, two hind socks, a star, stripe, and snip, and fabulous bright white mane and tail when I bought her at 5. At 20, she is completely white with a few flea bites. She's still lovley, though, just not so flashy as she once was. Her daughter, at 5 is still working her way from chestnut to grey, but is getting pretty light. She has been some lovely rose grey colors in between. People have always said how much they loved her color, unfortunately it is leaving. I am still left with a lovley mare that moves good and jumps fabulous and has the best temperament and that's way more important than color.

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                  • #10
                    What I think is funny is you don't mention the bloodlines of your mare or the stallions! 50% of my research includes looking at the registries and bloodlines of the stallion in relation to my mare.

                    IMO there's more to choosing a stallion than oh....pretty. You want something that is the right type and bloodlines for your particular mare.
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                    • #11
                      You may also want to look at the stallion "Richard" (US show name Decadent, European show name Ravanalli). He will be standing to outside mares in 2010 and was fully approved for breeding by the BWP this fall. He was the first stallion approved with the new Hunter Label with the BWP. Semen quality is excellent.

                      He is quite lovely -- black with tons of chrome. He has been shown in the hunter ring and the Grand Prix show jumping ring. He is producing both hunters and jumpers. I have two of his fillies on my farm and they have fantastic personalities.

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                      • #12
                        I'm really an Apiro fan...
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                        • #13
                          If I had 1 mare and was breeding for myself I would probably shy away from breeding to a stallion without foals going under saddle. A stallion can be wonderful but his progeny does not inherit it and vice versa you can have a stallion like Nob Hill who himself has a reputation for being a little tuff but his progeny is proving to be very easy.

                          Also just because a stallion is not showing or has shown as a hunter means very little. Most imports obviously have parents that are either dressage horses or jumpers. There are lines that have tendency to throw hunters and people that do a lot of importing look for those. Peopel that import/buy/and sell are a wonderful resource!
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                          • #14
                            You should STRONGLY consider Just The Best!!!!!!
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                            • #15
                              Not a WB and I know you were not particularly looking for a tb, but Sneak Preview is a wonderful stallion that sires foals that move fantastic, jump great, and puts a great head and neck on them.

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                                nevermind
                                Last edited by Miss Behave'n; Sep. 2, 2009, 07:04 PM.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Miss Behave'n
                                  Andrew - thanks, i did look at him and personally he didnt do much for me. He is a little too plain for me.

                                  I don't know what pictures you're looking at, but Just The Best is FAR from "plain". Seems to me you are picking white markings over performance.
                                  As a matter of fact, several on your list look "plain" (meaning not much white).

                                  My JTB foal this year has a lovely blaze and four whites. The dam has a blaze and one pastern sock.
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                                  • #18
                                    You might not find Perfect Pony's post helpful, but consider that the people you are asking to help you do not know your mare. Information about her bloodlines might tell people that are familiar with those lines more about her, and thus they would be able to give a more informed opinion on what stallion might suit her best.

                                    A couple of things to add to your comments though. Cunningham is not a hacker, if that's something you're looking for. Also, Cabardino is a small horse and might not give you the height you are looking for. I love Popeye, but on a smaller, heavier built mare I don't think you'd get enough added height to make up for the build.

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                                      nevermind
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                                        nevermind
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