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  • Totally Intrigued Now. Prices.

    Okay just for a bit of fun. I just picked two random horses. Neither are for sale, but I thought it might be interesting to see what prices you guys would pay for them if these two were horses on the open market.

    First one; reg TB mare with nice sport horse bloodlines. Competed successfully at hunters. 100% sound. 9 years old.

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/...93659c08_m.jpg

    Second one; reg TB mare with beautiful sport horse bloodlines. Not done much, bit of jumping. 100% sound. 11 years old.

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/...847687ac_m.jpg

    Have fun.
    Last edited by Cloverbarley; Sep. 4, 2009, 09:13 AM.

  • #2
    Probably not enough information to go on....

    but then again what do I know.

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    • #3
      I agree.. not enough info...
      Did they race? What do you mean by great sporthorse bloodline?? (Names please)... For the first one, what kind of shows- what levels, schooling, A circuit??
      And we are going to assume that they vet right...
      Hopefully will try to help if I know a little bit more about them
      Both look nice... but that isn't enough
      Proudly living in my "let's save the world bubble"!

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      • #4
        That first one is so behind the bit in that picture it would totally turn me off- horses that duck behind the bit can be a pain to teach to accept contact.

        The second one looks nice, perhaps a tad long in the back. Would need video or at least hypothetical info on how the movement is.
        Agreed on more info.

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        • #5
          I agree, we need a few more specifics.

          The black mare's a cutie though!!

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          • #6
            Not nearly enough info, need height, what type of showing the one did (rated, locals, divisions etc), what type of "ride" they are, any "jewelry" (even though sound do they have any old injuries etc), are they currently competing if not when were they, have they been raced etc. I will say that in the marketplace, a mare is not as easy to sell as a gelding particularly TB, sad but true.
            www.shawneeacres.net

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              1st one; 16.1hh, no dings or injuries, loose laid back ride (normally rides low neck, bad piccy), did hunters for a couple of years (sorry that's as much as I know), never raced. Approved and in foal so not competing at present.

              2nd one; 16.2hh, lots of dings, lively ride, ex-steeplechaser. Approved and being bred in the Spring.

              Both very sweet affectionate mares; both have nice paces.
              Last edited by Cloverbarley; Sep. 4, 2009, 09:12 AM.

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              • #8
                Here's a pricing thread originally posted by Superpony in 2002 or 2003. There may have been another, similar thread, but this one works too. :-)

                With all the threads about horse pricing and the need for a blue book, I decided to make my own hunter pricing scale. Keep in mind, this is what tends to be true for my area and will certainly be more if you live in places like CA or Florida, and will probably be less if you live in Alaska, which I don't believe has a huge hunter population.

                BASIC HORSE (eats, sleeps, poops, can't be ridden, handled, etc.): $0

                AGE:
                3 or under- Add $1000
                4 or 5- Add $3000
                5 to 10- Add $5000
                11 to 15- Add $3000
                16 to 20- Add $1000
                21 to 25- Add $0
                Over 25- Subtract $5,000

                GENDER (Keep in mind, this is for hunters only):
                Mare: Add $0
                Stallion: Add $0
                Gelding: Add $1000

                HEIGHT:
                Upper inch of pony height divisions (12.1-12.2, 13.1-13.2, 14.1-14.2): Add $3000
                Upper inch of small horses (15.3 to just under 16.0hh): Add $5000
                Big horse (16.3hh to 17.3hh): Add $7000
                Measures well over acceptable pony height, but still has permanent measurement card: Add $5000
                Measures well over acceptable small horse height, but still holds a small card: Add $7000

                COLOR:
                (Note: skip this section for ponies, who are exempt from all color rules)
                Bay: Add $2000
                Chestnut/black: Add $1000
                Grey: Add $1000 UNLESS owner takes care of own horse.
                Palomino/roan: Add $0
                Buckskin/pinto: Subract $1000
                Appy: Subtract $2000

                TEMPERMENT (ground):
                (Note: If your contact with your horse is limited to feeding it carrots once a week after taking it, fully tacked up, from your grooms, AND you plan to keep up this system, please skip this section.)
                Gentle: Add $1000
                Affectionate: Add $1000
                Bites: Subtract $2000
                Kicks: Subtract $1000
                Cribs: Subtract $2000
                Heaves/other respiratory unsoundnesses: Subtract $6000

                TEMPERMENT (riding):
                Spooks at things on the ground*: Subract $3000
                Spooks at fences sometimes*: Subtract $5000
                Spooks at fences consistently*: Subract $10,000
                Refuses*: Subract $10,000
                Rears*: Subract $7000
                Bucks*: Subtract $5000
                Takes off*: Subtract $4000
                Pulls/gets strong*: Subract $1000
                Is lazy/slow off the leg: Subract $1000
                Never refuses: Add $3000
                COMPLETELY, UNFAILINGLY obedient (could quite possibly attempt to run off a cliff you told it to do so): Add $5000
                Could probably negotiate the course alone or with minimal help: Add $7000
                Difficult to ride (pulls, resists, requires someone other than a useless passenger on its back)*: Subtract $10,000
                Lack of auto lead changes: Subtract $5,000
                Lack of simple lead changes: Subtract $5,000
                Swishes tail/pins ears while in the show ring: Subtract $2,000
                *=IGNORE if you or your trainer plans to ride/show horse only on heavy 'medication'.

                MOVEMENT:
                Could win any hack, anywhere, provided the rider didn't wear the wrong color breeches or something else unavoidable: Add $10,000
                Wins in modest company, places in good company: Add $5,000
                Appears to be sound and could possibly even win a hack if all other horses were dead lame or wearing unfashionable apparel: Add $0
                Trots lame: Subtract $5,000 unless only planning to show in divisions that don't require a jog and that can be won without a hack class.

                JUMPING ABILITY (Horses only):
                (Note: Choosing a particular height implies that the horse can jump a show COURSE at this height, without knocking over poles or requiring perfect distances to every jump. Basically, if the horse can chip/go long to a certain fence height, THAT is the level. If your horse can sometimes make it over 3'6", but will run out if not set up perfectly, then it cannot show at that level and should move down. Also, this means that the horse can SAFELY do this.)
                Jumps 2'3": Add $1,000
                Jumps 2'6": Add $1,000
                Jumps 3': Add $6,000
                Jumps 3'3": Add $9,000
                Jumps 3'6": Add $15,000
                Jumps 4': Add $25,000
                Jumps over 4': Move to jumper divisions immediately.

                JUMPING ABILITY (ponies):
                Jumps 2'3": Add $2,000
                Jumps required division height: Add $5,000

                JUMPING STYLE:
                Rox Dene-esque: Add $20,000
                Fancy enough to win most places: Add $15,000
                Always in the ribbons: Add $10,000
                Usually places: Add $5,000
                Sometimes places: Add $3,000
                Errr...well, it jumps: Add $0
                Flips over poles/runs into jumps/causes children to ask their parents "Was that SUPPOSED to happened?"/jump crew's worst nightmare: Subtract $5,000
                Jumps super-round: Add $5,000 if you are a pro, subtract $5,000 if you are not.

                STRIDING:
                Subtract $5,000 if it cannot make the strides.

                PRETTINESS (applies only to horses--all ponies are naturally adorable):
                Jaw-dropping gorgeous (and NOT just to you!): Add $6,000
                Absolutely adorable: Add $4,000
                Handsome: Add $3,000
                Attractive/passable: Add $2,000
                Average: Add $0
                Ugly/misshapen: Subtract $2,000

                CONFORMATION:
                Perfect: Add $5,000
                Good: Add $3,000
                OK: Add $0
                Bad: Subtract $2,000

                WEIGHT:
                Overweight: Subtract $1,000
                Underweight: Subtract $3,000

                SHOW EXPERIENCE:
                Never shown: Subtract $5,000
                Lightly, successfully shown (probably locally, "c" shows, etc.): Add $2,000
                Extensively, semi-successfully shown ("c", "B", some "A" shows, many ribbons, few championships): Add $5,000
                WON at "B" shows: Add $7,000
                WON at "A" shows: Add $10,000

                And the most important...

                SOUNDNESS:
                Never taken a lame step in its life/doesn't colic, etc.: Add $5,000
                Minor health problems (abcessed once, etc.): Add $1,000
                Larger health problems (bad splints, sore back, etc.): Subtract $5,000
                Big health issues (bone chip, colics frequently, was off for a few months, etc.): Subtract $7,000
                Frankly, I'm amazed it can still move (colics often, had laminitis, pulled a suspensory and has to be handwalked on drugs for 6 months, etc.): Subtract $11,000

                Wait, I lied. THIS is the most important:

                FAME:
                At Big Name Barn: Add $6,000
                Ridden by/owned by/marketed by BNT: Add $10,000
                Won at Big Name Shows, giving the horse a MAJOR name-recognition advantage: Add $10,000

                OTHER STUFF:
                Warmblood: Add $5,000
                Off the track: Subtract $5,000
                If this is your own horse and you know that you are prone to exaggerating how pretty/fancy/scopy/gentle your baby is, subtract around $10,000.


                Anywhere close? These are pretty close to estimates for my area...and keep in mind that these are SHOW HUNTERS, and therefore subject to incredible price inflations to match the inflated egos of hunter trainers and hunter riders.

                Hey, I'm one. I should know.

                [This message was edited by SuperPony on Nov. 25, 2003 at 12:22 AM.]
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                • #9
                  spot on snaffle635!

                  Boy do you have alot of time on your hands!

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                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Lol, thanks for the C&P Snaffle, and thanks to Superpony. That was fun to read and definitely is in the spirit of this thread .

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                    • #11
                      Snaffle635.. where were you, when I was buying a horse? You need to write a book!!!!

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                      • #12
                        LOL! I think I saw this the first time. Love it. I think it is pretty dead on.

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                        • #13
                          Hehe the horse I just placed in a free lease situation as a pasture companion SHOULD have been priced at $51K according to that list even with the soundness issues and $10K subtraction for owner exaggeration.

                          The others I did for my going horses were pretty darn accurate though. One or two were a little low but still very much in the ball park.

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                          • #14
                            Can I play this game?

                            Not for sale but what sort of price range would this type be in....

                            8 y.o 17hh mare by Voltaire out of a Le Mexico mare. Imported from Holland in Feb. Did the 1.25 in Europe. Went right to WEF and did the 1.10 and low children jumpers. Showed in some hunters(AO's) but shows mostly in the 3ft eqs. and medals. Big stride and easy to put together. Well schooled on the flat Easy 3'6 eq horse. Dead brave and takes a joke(well many jokes) Needs regumate and a lunge before she shows.

                            This horse isnt for sale but I am interested in what sort of price range she would fit in.

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                            • #15
                              haha

                              according to that scale, my little mare should be 32,000. We bought her for around 9,000 a couple of years ago

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Cloverbarley View Post
                                Okay just for a bit of fun. I just picked two random horses. Neither are for sale, but I thought it might be interesting to see what prices you guys would pay for them if these two were horses on the open market.

                                First one; reg black TB mare with nice sport horse bloodlines. Competed successfully at hunters. 100% sound. 9 years old.

                                http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/...93659c08_m.jpg

                                Second one; reg grey TB mare with beautiful sport horse bloodlines. Not done much, bit of jumping. 100% sound. 11 years old.

                                http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/...847687ac_m.jpg

                                Have fun.
                                No real way to tell price from what you posted above...although I really don't like how behind the bit that mare is.

                                Part of what you missed on the other thread was that there was a video for that horse that showed you possible personality, way of going, jump, etc. Video is VERY important when trying to determine value. In my recent shopping experience, I rarely bothered to respond to ads that didn't have a video link or at least promise of easily available video.
                                Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                                Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by pixie View Post
                                  Boy do you have alot of time on your hands!
                                  It took me about 3 minutes to find Superpony's thread. But, yeah, sometimes I spend TOO much time on COTH. :-)
                                  ~ Citizens for a Kinder, Gentler COTH...our mantra: Be nice. ~

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                                  • #18
                                    Just took the pricing quiz for my current horse...almost dead on accurate for what I paid for him. WOW! It's magic!
                                    ~ Citizens for a Kinder, Gentler COTH...our mantra: Be nice. ~

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                                    • #19
                                      price

                                      Wow, I need to up the price on the pony I have for sale. I am not asking near enough.

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                                      • #20
                                        Haha, just using the things that apply to her, Rosie is 25K. And she hasn't even done anything yet! Cha-ching!

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