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Age 15: Am I being reasonable? WWYD?

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  • Age 15: Am I being reasonable? WWYD?

    Alrighty, this may be long, but I would really appreciate everyone's oppion.

    I work at an AQHA type barn that is having issues selling horses, partially due to the economy, partially due to very poor marketing. At the barn, we have about 7 very capable hunter/jumper type horses, but my post will deal with one in particular, we'll call her "The Horse." Now, although several other girls (including me) that work at the barn take weekly lessons with a good hunter jumper instructor, the barn owner really has no knowledge of the hunter jumper world. Due to this lack of knowledge, I feel she is not advertising the horses the way they should be (she is advertising to the AQHA world, back yard type riders, etc that arent really interested in the hunter jumper type). She wants to get the horses sold, she just really doesnt know how to get them sold to the right people.
    So here is the deal: The barn owner is desperate to get some horses sold (the one I ride in particular). I came up with this plan: I will offer to take "The Horse" to a show or two, school her around, just get her seen. I will pay all show/travel expenses, however, If I get the horse sold, I get maybe a 3-5% commision on her. By the way, I am 15 years old, a very capable rider, and feel as if I could get this horse sold quickly. At age 15, do you think that is too much to ask? Should I just shut up and let them do things their way even if they arent working? I have made several suggestions on ways to get "The Horse" sold, but they never really take me seriously because of my age. WWYD?

    I dont want to act like a smart alleck kid, but at the same time, I KNOW this horse would be sold quickly, she just needs to get seen, and the barn owner just doesnt understand the hunter world, nor does she take me seriously because I am so young.
    "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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    Never Too Young!

    The number one thing that I hated when I was your age was people telling me I was too young and didn't know anything, when if fact I knew way more than most. IF you have a good feeling that you could sell this horse, then you probably can. Explain to the owner that they can continue to advertise their way while you work your magic to get the horse sold. Explain to them that you will absorb the costs of showing, ect. Have everything in writing and make sure your parents sign it too, because you can't enter into a contract or agreement on your own until you are 18.

    When you talk to the owner, go with a game plan, know what shows you want to enter, and how long you think it will take for you to sell the horse. Don't forget the 4 P's of Marketing!
    Product = the horse
    Price=$$
    Promotion = Showing, Advertising - online is often free
    Placement = selling to those who what a hunter.

    On another note, I would ask for a written reference, that you can keep in case you need it. They come in handy for every thing from College admissions to getting a jobs, or in case you ever want to do this sort of thing again.


    Good Luck

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    • #3
      I would follow Apollo girls advice... then, have fun, explore and experience a good ride. We all started a bit like you.

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      • #4
        I would go for 10% commission and no show fees. You are doing them a favor and increasing the horse's value. (:
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        • #5
          Not too young.

          However, I would write up a business plan (very formal, everything written out clearly) and do a nice presentation along with it. If they go along with it (especially if you'll be paying show fees), have them and your parents sign a contract stating what % commission you'll be getting (and I would not go lower than 5%). Good luck!

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          • #6
            I did it with a dressage horse. I got paid to ride her, and my lessons, with my trainer of choice were paid for (by the owner). It was a bad ending, but had nothing to do with the relationship between me and the owner, but the barn and the owner (barn trainer trained his other horses, they had a falling out, he left with all his horses). Saw him a few years later, and told me he should have left the mare with me.

            It worked great, and I did it again with another horse, this one ended better though, he's now my horse.

            It's a fun experience, and your learn alot and look at things with less emotion/more unbiased view because they're not your personal horse.

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            • #7
              You sound like a girl with a solid plan. Don't sell yourself short either. It all makes sense...

              I would advise that you put your plan on paper and present to the owner. Personally, I would not be shy about asking for 10%, the standard commission.

              I have a feeling she is going to be very pleased with your efforts...Let us know what happens.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by brummelhorsefarm View Post
                I would go for 10% commission and no show fees. You are doing them a favor and increasing the horse's value. (:
                That's comparable to the price they would pay for a real trainer taking the horse on. I think her number is more accurate for a 15 year old. Although I may seek 3-5% plus maybe 1/2 or all of the show fees if they'd go for that.
                "to live is the rarest thing in the world, most people merely exist."

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                • #9
                  If you are that sure that you can get the horse sold, why not buy it yourself and then re-sell for a profit?
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                  • #10
                    When my sister was only a LITTLE older thatn you (she had her driver's license, but was still in igh school, she did something similar.

                    Slightly different formula. She and the owner agreed on the proce the owner wanted to get. My sisiter paid all teh showing and advertising expenses, and got to keep the difference between the agreed price to the owner and the price the buyer paid.
                    Janet

                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spmoonie View Post
                      I dont want to act like a smart alleck kid, but at the same time, I KNOW this horse would be sold quickly, she just needs to get seen, and the barn owner just doesnt understand the hunter world, nor does she take me seriously because I am so young.
                      well

                      to be completely honest I could not see taking the advice of a minor on this sort of thing esp in an economy where things are tight already...

                      look at it this way...if you only had $10 left would you give it to the nearest 7yo because they had a good idea ?? honestly you'd say no,it's my last $10 and I need it to work for me

                      in better times people take more risks...in tight times people get very very close with their money and their investments in general....

                      you might be right on the money...

                      or not

                      regards
                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                        If you are that sure that you can get the horse sold, why not buy it yourself and then re-sell for a profit?
                        I would love to do that, but I cannot afford to keep two horses, nor could I afford to buy her in the first place. Im a broke 15 year old looking for some opportunities!
                        "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                        • #13
                          The only fly I see in the ointment is what happens if "Ther Horse" gets injured or injures someone while you are off the property. Who is going to be responsible for liabilty and damages/expenses? Who will assume risk while transporting to an from shows.
                          Who will sign the entry forms and be Owner/Trainer. Will you show recognized where drug testing is possible (not saying you are) but **t happens.
                          Those things are what jump up and bite.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                            well

                            to be completely honest I could not see taking the advice of a minor on this sort of thing esp in an economy where things are tight already...

                            look at it this way...if you only had $10 left would you give it to the nearest 7yo because they had a good idea ?? honestly you'd say no,it's my last $10 and I need it to work for me

                            in better times people take more risks...in tight times people get very very close with their money and their investments in general....

                            you might be right on the money...

                            or not

                            regards
                            If its a good idea, why not? 7 years old or 77 years old, a good idea is a good idea. JMO.
                            "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by unclewiggly View Post
                              The only fly I see in the ointment is what happens if "Ther Horse" gets injured or injures someone while you are off the property. Who is going to be responsible for liabilty and damages/expenses? Who will assume risk while transporting to an from shows.
                              Who will sign the entry forms and be Owner/Trainer. Will you show recognized where drug testing is possible (not saying you are) but **t happens.
                              Those things are what jump up and bite.

                              If the BO chooses to go through with the idea, My mom and I will most likely take full responsibility. My trainer will actually be at the shows, but Im not sure how that would work out yet.
                              "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                              • #16
                                I am assuming this horse will be attending local/ 4-H / schooling type shows, no need for trainer, drug, association fees. Since OP & parents are willing to swing show expenses. I also gather they have own shipping arrangements.

                                Not a bad idea to have your parent's lawyer write a release of liabiliyy in case of accident/ loss when horse is off premises.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by mrsbradbury View Post
                                  I am assuming this horse will be attending local/ 4-H / schooling type shows, no need for trainer, drug, association fees. Since OP & parents are willing to swing show expenses. I also gather they have own shipping arrangements.

                                  Not a bad idea to have your parent's lawyer write a release of liabiliyy in case of accident/ loss when horse is off premises.
                                  You are correct, these would be local rated shows (equivalent to "C", maybe some "B" stuff).
                                  "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                                  • #18
                                    I'm a year older than you, so I know how it feels to be a broke, horsie-loving, horsie-owning teen... and I would say go for it.! Not only does this make "The Horse" more valuble, it gives you experience and even promotes you as a rider/ maybe trainer! However, have fun showing against real trainers in open divisions because you are being paid to compete and ride the horse. Also, if something were to happen... say he gets loose and trips and gets injured... thats a sticky situation. Are you and your family willing to pay the vet bills? Or someone runs into your trailer, damaging the truck and/or trailer? Just be sure to have all your bases covered! If this wouldn't work, no trainer would have a job!! Good luck!!!

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                                    • #19
                                      My daughter is 12 years old and I give her 10% commission on any horse she helps train/show/sell, so I think your 3-5% commission charge is too low. After all if the horse doesn't sell, you get nothing, but if it does then you get something worthwhile and the owner benefits as well as you.

                                      Best of luck.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by spmoonie View Post
                                        If its a good idea, why not? 7 years old or 77 years old, a good idea is a good idea. JMO.
                                        all kinds of people seem to have good ideas when their own money is not involved...
                                        Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                        I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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