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  • Anyone ever tie stirrups? is this legal?

    When i was in college i had a trainer who would tie our stirrups to the girth with a shoelace. The theory behind it was to basically train our leg muscles to sit where they needed to be. We rode this way a few times a week and sometimes over fences. It wasn't something we depended on just a schooling aid.
    Has anyone else ever done this? And do you think its legal to show in?

  • #2
    Yes I've done it for schooling, and yes it is illegal to do it at shows.

    I don't have time to find the rule right now, but it is specifically forbidden.
    Originally posted by tidy rabbit
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    • #3
      illegal!!

      3. Any rider competing and or riding anywhere on the competition grounds with their stirrup,stirrup leather, or foot tied and/or secured in any manner, will automatically be eliminated from the entire competition. The steward will note the trainer name(s) on the stewards report and further disciplinary actions may be taken by the Federation
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      • #4
        Kind of a nice schooling aid to use every once and a while but definitely not allowed at shows!
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        • #5
          I knew a trainer that would use thin fishing line around a stirrup to the girth of an older adult (think 60 ish- 60+) when they were showing.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by wesierobb View Post
            3. Any rider competing and or riding anywhere on the competition grounds with their stirrup,stirrup leather, or foot tied and/or secured in any manner, will automatically be eliminated from the entire competition. The steward will note the trainer name(s) on the stewards report and further disciplinary actions may be taken by the Federation
            but I've seen riders using those at very high level (Ludger Berbaum at a show in Italy to be more precise):

            http://www.freejumpsystem.com/uk/#/produits/xup/

            maybe it was allowed and is not anymore? Or maybe it's because the foot will still separate from the stirrup in case of fall? I don't know... What do you think?


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            • #7
              I am pretty sure it is 1. because it is cheating and everyone would have a perfect leg if it was allowed. 2. Because the stirrup is "suppose" to slide off the stirrup bar if the foot gets stuck to prevent a drag, if the stirrup was tied then they would certainly be dragged.
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              • #8
                I've never done this and it's absolutely illegal and you can be disqualified for tying stirrups. It's a popular schooling aid, though. I prefer good old fashioned no-stirrups.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MILOUTE55 View Post
                  but I've seen riders using those at very high level (Ludger Berbaum at a show in Italy to be more precise):

                  http://www.freejumpsystem.com/uk/#/produits/xup/

                  maybe it was allowed and is not anymore? Or maybe it's because the foot will still separate from the stirrup in case of fall? I don't know... What do you think?
                  Italy doesn't show under the United States Eq. Federation rules so it might be fine. The FEI has it's own set of rules as well...

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                  • #10
                    It's a *great* schooling aid for riders who ride with their legs "scissored"-- one slightly ahead of the other. That's a hard problem to see and correct, but the cause of big problems. Stirrupless won't touch that one.

                    Tied stirrups brought me to Jesus and I have been known to school, jump even trail ride in them. Having fallen off once or twice with my trusty baling twine on, I didn't think my feet were any more likely to get stuck. I must say, I have never fallen off in a way that took the whole stirrup leather with me. However, being dragged by a stirrup attached by baling twine to my horse's girth would probably be a fitting way for a redneck-wannabe-equitation-princess like me to go.

                    Had no idea I couldn't school in these at shows. Oops. I figured if Ludger could do it, so could I. I stand corrected. Thanks.
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                    • #11
                      I've done it. Used a few loops of yarn, strong enough to hold your leg there but flimsy enough to break if any real pressure is put on it.

                      Only for a lesson because of the illegal-ness of it at a show. If I recall, we only did it once, to get a feel for where the leg should be.

                      And yes, I talked to Jesus too when I jumped with stirrups tied for the first time.

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                      • #12
                        Illegal for hunters
                        3. Any rider competing and or riding anywhere on the competition grounds with their stirrup,
                        stirrup leather, or foot tied and/or secured in any manner, will automatically be eliminated
                        from the entire competition. The steward will note the trainer name(s) on the stewards
                        report and further disciplinary actions may be taken by the Federation.
                        Illegal for jumpers
                        4. Tied Stirrups. Any rider competing with their stirrup, stirrup leather or foot tied and/or
                        secured in any manner, will automatically be eliminated from that class. Riding anywhere on
                        the competition grounds with stirrup, stirrup leather or foot tied or otherwise secured is
                        cause for elimination, by the steward, of that rider from the current or subsequent class in
                        which the rider is entered. In the case of junior or amateur riders, the steward will note the
                        trainer name(s) on the Steward’s Report and further disciplinary actions may be taken by
                        the Federation. Exception: Devices approved by the FEI are allowed.
                        Illegal for Eventing
                        In the interest of safety, the stirrup iron and stirrup leathers
                        must hang free from the bar of the saddle and outside the flap. There must be no other
                        restrictions or attachments of any kind.
                        Illegal for Dressage
                        English-style stirrups, without attachments, or safety stirrups are compulsory.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Seven-up View Post
                          I've done it. Used a few loops of yarn, strong enough to hold your leg there but flimsy enough to break if any real pressure is put on it.
                          Definitely illegal (as in pack your horse and go home NOW illegal) at shows - in classes or not. However, I have done it myself at home, but only with yarn, just to break a bad habit of flipping my leg back. I did it one day and Mare had a moment - yarn was flimsy enough to break when I needed it to. That was good.
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                          • #14
                            Wow. That's quite an a$$-kicking by the USEF just for tied stirrups. I can think of some other infractions that I'd put ahead of this one...
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                            • #15
                              I've never heard of it before but I'd like to try it for schooling now... I feel like I don't notice if my leg starts to drift so it would be a good way to check. d; Not at all surprised it's illegal for showing though! And a trainer using fishing line to make it invisible is pretty darn sheisty.
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                              • #16
                                I'm constantly amazed at what people will confess to in a public forum...
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                                • #17
                                  My trainer's had me do it a couple times, made a HUGE difference! I think it helps because then I can really feel over the fence where my leg is supposed to be and I get to know that feeling and then can apply it without the string.
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                                  • #18
                                    Illegal in the US NOW.

                                    But I have a book with a picture of Hans Gunther Winkler jumping (at Aachen I think) jumping with his stirrups tied, and a positive caption.
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                                    • #19
                                      I had a trainer DUCK TAPE my legs to the cinch once (western saddle) Yup you heard it ladies... duck tape. Yes, I was the worst of the leg swinging at the canter, but I didn't think it was that drastic. And no, I never trained with her again. Good ole 4-H *eye roll*

                                      As everyone has said, very illegal in showing. I've never seen anyone do it in schooling, but to each their own=] Does it actually help train your leg?
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by MILOUTE55 View Post
                                        but I've seen riders using those at very high level (Ludger Berbaum at a show in Italy to be more precise):

                                        http://www.freejumpsystem.com/uk/#/produits/xup/

                                        maybe it was allowed and is not anymore? Or maybe it's because the foot will still separate from the stirrup in case of fall? I don't know... What do you think?
                                        Unless I misunderstood the website these do not hold the stirrup or foot to the girth in anyway, so not the same thing. I *think* that these are legal since they have the safety release function, but maybe not in the US.

                                        Originally posted by Madeline View Post
                                        I'm constantly amazed at what people will confess to in a public forum...
                                        Lol. Tying stirrups to the girth with yarn or bailing twine or whatever is a pretty commonly accepted practice that I have seen lots of reputable trainers use at home while schooling to help reinforce where the leg should be. And if I'm not mistaken, no one ever admitted to doing it themselves at shows.
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