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  • Oaks Blenheim Sportspark

    At a San Juan Capistrano city council meeting this week, RJ Brandes, Robert Ridland and Melissa Mullins implied they were planning on continuing operations in San Juan. I thought they were moving everything to Silverlakes in Norco. But hey, I am a dressage rider, so what do I know? Are they planning on operating both facilities?

    Could they have competitions in both locations? What is the buzz in the H/J world?
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  • #2
    I heard that the city of SJC bought the Blenheim facility (now called Rancho Mission Viejo Rding Park) in order to keep equestrian activities there. I hope that is true! They may even have full-time baording an training acitvities there in the future. I was under the assumption, Blenheim would move everything to Norco, and it would just be boarding/county shows in SJC, but I don't heve any details on that. My trainer is showing there this week and next, so maybe he will have some more info.

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    • #3
      The latest I've heard is that the land is secure for equestrian use for the next few years, and the city is in negotiations to purchase the property for equestrian and sports use, as well as an open area/habitat preservation situation which I think includes the creekbed.

      I also heard, (but don't quote me...) that they are still planning to develop the Norco site and host shows there.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by *jumper* View Post
        The latest I've heard is that the land is secure for equestrian use for the next few years, and the city is in negotiations to purchase the property for equestrian and sports use, as well as an open area/habitat preservation situation which I think includes the creekbed.

        I also heard, (but don't quote me...) that they are still planning to develop the Norco site and host shows there.
        This is from the 8/4 city Council Meeting Minutes:
        3. CLOSED SESSION (610.85)
        A Closed Session will be held for the following purposes, as authorized by statute:

        a. Pursuant to Government Code section 54956.8, the City Council with confer with real property negotiators (City Manager and Open Space Finance Sub-Committee) regarding the price and terms of payment for acquisition for real property described as APN 125-172-07 and APN 125-172-17, generally located west of La Pata and south of Ortega Highway. The property owner is Rancho Mission Viejo (RMV).


        So it sounds like *jumper* is correct, they are just in negotiations. However, we still don't know how that will affect the horse shows. I really will not be happy showing in Norco in the summer.

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        • #5
          I'm with you, Norco doesn't sound too appetizing in the summer months. I was at the Oaks yesterday at 9 and I was uncomfortably hot...I can't even imagine being miles inland!
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          • #6
            I also heard that the city was in negotiations to buy the property (sources - ECOC Newsletter and ShowBiz Magazine-see bottom of page 8). When I went to the grand opening for the facility in Norco a few weeks ago, they also seem to be on track for that one. In addition to the strictly horse area there are a lot of soccer fields (maybe multi-use like the ones at the current Oaks).

            I show at the Oaks in the summer to get away from the heat so it would definitely be nice to keep that facility. Going from hot to hotter would not be as much fun. And if it's only county shows that's fine with me b/c that's basically what I can afford to do anyway.
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              #7
              The city of San Juan passed an open space bond a couple of years ago and they are considering purchasing the property with that money. Many of the local equestrian community members think it will remain as is, but I don't see how if the shows are moving to Norco. I can guarantee you that the city of San Juan is not going to go into the horse show business I was at the city council meeting earlier this week and I was surprised to hear everyone from Blenheim Equisports speaking as though they were going to be there for the long haul. At the end, Mrs. Smith spoke, saying Blenheim Equisports didn't really "own" the date anyway.

              So I am wondering if the Blenheim crew plans to stay there or what?
              Last edited by nhwr; Aug. 6, 2009, 09:54 PM.
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              • #8
                Well that was interesting! Got curious about who actually owned the dates for the A USEF-rated HJ shows at the Oaks and did a competition search on the USEF website.

                The contact info listed for the one this week is:

                MARY HARRIS
                18381 GOLDENWEST ST.
                HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA 92648
                Contact Tel:
                (714) 848-6565
                Email:
                hcpec@verizon.net
                Secretary:
                TEPLEY, NANCEE
                Manager:
                WHEELER, STEPHANIE
                Licensee Name:
                NATIONAL EQUESTRIAN CENTERS, INC D/B/A HUNTINGTON CENTRAL PARK EQUESTRIAN CENTER

                For next week:
                STEPHANIE WHEELER
                2683 VIA DE LA VALLE, SUITE G
                PMB 411
                DEL MAR, CA 92014
                Contact Tel:
                (949) 443-1841
                Email:
                showpark@aol.com
                Secretary:
                TEPLEY, NANCEE
                Manager:
                WHEELER, STEPHANIE
                Licensee Name:
                PERLOW EQUESTRIAN PRODUCTIONS

                For the show associated with the Maclay Regionals in Sept:
                STEPHANIE WHEELER
                2683 VIA DE LA VALLE SUITE G
                PMB 627
                DEL MAR, CA 92014
                Contact Tel:
                (949) 443-1841
                Email:
                showpark@aol.com
                Secretary:
                TEPLEY, NANCEE
                Manager:
                WHEELER, STEPHANIE
                Licensee Name:
                SMITH, JOAN IRVINE
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                  #9
                  Mrs. Smith said that she, Larry Langer, Robin Servais and Sam Perlow owned most of the dates and that they were being "leased" to Blenheim Equisports. I can't find any provision in the rules for leasing dates.

                  So how does that work? And what might it mean for the future of shows in San Juan? Any ideas?
                  Last edited by nhwr; Aug. 6, 2009, 10:51 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nhwr View Post
                    Mrs. Smith said that she, Larry Langer, Robin Servais and Sam Perlow owned most of the dates and that they were being "leased" to Blenheim Equisports. I can't find any provision in the rules for leasing dates.

                    So how does that work? And what might it mean for the future of shows in San Juan? Any ideas?
                    I have heard of dates being leased or transferred. Not sure how it works. Can't find anything in the rulebook WRT leased dates, only transferred ones (GR 317 here - http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBo...al%20rules.pdf)

                    Serfass
                    The Evil Chem Prof

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                    • #11
                      The mileage rule needs to go!

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                      • #12
                        Mary Behrens nee Harris had the Summer Classic in Huntington Beach for that first set of dates. I miss that show!

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                        • #13
                          OK, so since I just answered a PM from someone about this, allow me to copy the gist of it here.

                          R.J. Brandes remains very, very much committed to the Silverlakes project and plans to have it open by around this time next year. Woot!

                          But, yes, the SJC city officials finally pulled their heads outta their behinds and listened to the merchants and hotel managers who said that the horse shows and other events (soccer tournaments, rodeos, etc) brought in a LOT of money to their businesses and the Oaks had to stay. So it aparently will. Which is great.

                          Re the summer heat: Brandes has said, several times, that he will not hold any of **his** shows at Silverlakes in July, August and September -- of course, it's also ungodly hot in Burbank where LAEC is, too, and I've shown at the Oaks when it's been 108 degrees Just sayin' for those complaining about Norco weather. Fortunately, Silverlakes has many lovely, full-grown trees on the property .

                          Brandes does intend to run A shows from Silverlakes as well the county-level shows Blenheim puts on, and of course it will be available for other groups to rent to hold shows -- I know the reining horse people are already talking about holding events there. What he won't have at Silverlakes is rodeos or anything else that would require cattle, since he points out that the city's own Ingall's Park is already set up for that.

                          I really hope that people will give the facility a REAL chance once it's up and running and not just dismiss it out of hand because it's in Norco. Yes, it's a hick town in many ways, but it's also one of the very, very few remaining in Southern California that is welcoming to horses and WANTS to have an equestrian park.

                          It would be a real shame if the people it is being built FOR thumb their noses at it before it's even built.
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                          • #14
                            I think I remember that 108° weekend at the Oaks when I went into town and fought the local citizens off to buy fans at a local hardware store. All in all the Oaks is going to have cooler weather in those three months than Norco will. Not as cool as Del Mar, but I can understand Brandes' decision to keep shows in SJC during the summer months. But Norco should be great in the fall and spring and has the advantage of getting somewhat less rain than LA during the "winter" months.

                            The pity is that, with the mileage rule, an A USEF show won't be able to run at Norco the same weekend as an LAEC or even (I think) Thermal show.

                            My understanding that Brandes' group wants to make as sure as possible that the facility is really ready for prime time and thus avoid some of the issues that occurred at a certain facility to the east.

                            I am looking forward to showing there, tho possibly not in the summer (when I won't show at LAEC either). After all it's something like 14 miles from my barn and you don't even need to get on a freeway.

                            For those who know the area, is there any kind of a breeze that regularly kicks in during the day? Does it tend to run cooler or hotter than the surrounding areas. I know there can be localized climate differences.
                            The Evil Chem Prof

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peggy View Post
                              For those who know the area, is there any kind of a breeze that regularly kicks in during the day? Does it tend to run cooler or hotter than the surrounding areas. I know there can be localized climate differences.
                              Peggy, the locals call it the "2 o'clock tornado" Which is, of course, a generalized overstatement, but yes, pretty much like clockwork every early afternoon, a nice -- sometimes overly generous -- breeze kicks in.

                              I won't deny that it gets HOT in Norco in the summer. I live in Yorba Linda, against the hills and 20 minutes to the west, and honestly there's maybe a few degrees of difference, with Norco running hotter. My horses live in Norco and no, I don't ride in midday during the worst of the summer heat. But I know many people who do, and yes, I do question their sanity.

                              I just want people to give this facility a chance. Given the state of my many-times surgerically repaired knees now complete with another new replacement, it's unlikely that I will ever jump a fence again, let alone show. So I have no vested interest here. I just think, like I said, that the people for whom this facility is being built -- in one of the last Southern California cities that actively zones **for** rather than against horses -- should be happy to have it and not automatically reject it because of where it is.
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                              • #16
                                I love Norco. BBer Mypaintwattie is doing one of the circuits out there and I've gone to two of the shows at Ingalls to watch and lend as hand. I will admit to skipping the late July show because of the heat, but to me a scorcher is a scorcher, whether it is LAEC or Norco. Beezer, do you know if the new place will be putting in a covered arena as well?

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                                  #17
                                  Thanks for all the feedback people. Glad to get a better understanding of date transfers.

                                  A couple of points to clarify;
                                  First the facility is currently outside the city limits of San Juan Capistrano, so city officials had no ability to influence what was happening there previously. If they are able to acquire the property from the Ranch, they will have to redraw the city boundaries.

                                  Second, I listened pretty carefully at the meeting. Unless I missed it, no one actually stated Blenheim Equisports planned to stay in SJC. There was discussion of how much business their activities brought to town, the caliber of events that were held there and what they had done for San Juan. But no one came out and said "We are staying in San Juan Capistrano".
                                  Silverlakes was mentioned by a resident, no one from Blenheim brought it up

                                  I am excited that San Juan has a chance to get this property and hope it remains the same. But I don't see how the city can afford to do that if the Blenheim crowd leaves and takes the dates with them. Hence my concern.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                                    Beezer, do you know if the new place will be putting in a covered arena as well?
                                    Coreene, yes, there will be a huge indoor (air-conditioned as well ) but I'm pretty sure that will be available only for the international-type classes and grands prix. I mean, I **suppose** a local show could rent it, but I think it would be a budget-buster.

                                    nhwr, at the Silverlakes "ground-breaking" party, Brandes talked extensively about how he will be running shows at BOTH the Oaks and Silverlakes. Although the lease on the Oaks property ran out at the end of last year, he said that the Oaks is staying, mainly because businesses in SJC want it to. So he will hold shows at both places.

                                    My guess is that it's also staying because pretty much all residential construction that Rancho Mission Viejo planned, which would have had a huge impact on the facility and was the main reason the horses were being driven out, is off the drawing boards for the foreseeable future. RMV, which does own the property -- which is why it's name is reallyOaks Blenheim Rancho Mission Viejo Riding Park -- planned on turning the place into a general sports park for the non-equine-inclined who would have bought the gazillions of homes planned for the ranch. No homes = no need for more softball diamonds, soccer fields, kiddie parks, etc.

                                    I don't believe that the city of SJC is "buying" the property in any way, shape or form. But the city officials are now seeing the merit of keeping it right on their city border because it helps their business owners, so they are far more friendly toward keeping it. Since RMV is within the city's "sphere of influence" from a development/utilities/services standpoint, it does have some say over what goes on there.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Beezer View Post

                                      I don't believe that the city of SJC is "buying" the property in any way, shape or form. But the city officials are now seeing the merit of keeping it right on their city border because it helps their business owners, so they are far more friendly toward keeping it. Since RMV is within the city's "sphere of influence" from a development/utilities/services standpoint, it does have some say over what goes on there.
                                      From the minutes and discussion I found from the City council meetings they are definitely considering BUYING the property with funds from the Open Space bond measure.

                                      And on another note, I snuck down to the show on my lunch hour, and I was CLOD in the shade. I acutally had to move into the sunshine to get warm!

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                                        http://www.sanjuancapistrano.org/ind...=1223&page=102
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