• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Kimberwicke or pelham?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Kimberwicke or pelham?

    Opinions please about bit preferences. Kimberwicke or pelham? Because....

  • #2
    Originally posted by Carol O View Post
    Opinions please about bit preferences. Kimberwicke or pelham? Because....
    Kimberwicke is kind of a bastardized bit that doesn't have any of the qualities of a good snaffle or a good pelham . . . it also tends to lift a head and enable bracing. If I needed brakes and could not handle the extra reins, I'd go to something like a slow twist snaffle first.

    If you've the hands for it, I much prefer a pelham with both reins, not that silly connector thingie which makes it neither fish nor fowl. Then you can ride off the snaffle unless a little reminder is needed from the curb.
    Eileen
    http://themaresnest.us

    Comment


    • #3
      Well pelham, duh. Kimberwicks are considered unconventional.

      Comment


      • #4
        whichever one the horse goes better in
        "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
        carolprudm

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by mroades View Post
          whichever one the horse goes better in
          Ditto.
          Seb
          Aca-Believe it!!

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            Originally posted by HunterRider992 View Post
            Well pelham, duh. Kimberwicks are considered unconventional.
            I agree. I hate kimberwickes. They are very, very popular here though. I love the "duh" part in your response...

            I tried a pelham on a friends horse recently (the mare loved it), and all the advice givers have been repeating "why don't you put her in a kimberwick?" The next time I hear the "K" work I will scream!

            Comment


            • #7
              If you're going to set hoof in a show ring, pelham, please!
              Originally posted by tidy rabbit
              Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

              Comment


              • #8
                Pelham, no contest. I have never been a kimberwick fan.

                If you can't manage the 2 reins, then ask your trainer for other bit suggestions.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Pelham definitely but please, please no converter! I hate that!
                  No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill
                  For Hope, For Strength, For Life-Delta Gamma
                  www.etsy.com/shop/joiedevivrecrafts Custom Wreaths and Other Decorations

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I like pelhams because you don't use the leverage/ curb unless you need to. Use two reins, it is something good to learn and have in your back pocket in case you need it at some point. Kimberwickes, there is no way NOT to use the curb/leverage.
                    I also used a slow twist to get a horse with a hard mouth to listen to what I was asking. She would just run through a regular snaffle and all I had around was a slow twist. She listened to my slight cues and we were able to go back to a regular snaffle, since she respected the bit.
                    I also have a personal hatred of kimberwickes because everyone here who has there western QH "going english" for IHSA puts on a stupid kimberwicke and warms up the horse like a western horse. So when an actual english rider tries to take up contact with the horse's mouth(even the slightest bit, or to half halt etc), the poor horse has a fit because it is used to being left alone, and bumped.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Depends on the horse and the show circuit that you are doing. H/J rated shows then a pelham would be the bit of choice. Open or breed shows then you will see many more kimberwicks. Nothing wrong with either, it depends on what the horse is more comfortable in and what you are asking the horse to do.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        It is a very severe bit. While it may have a use in the hunt field, it doesn't in the show ring...
                        Port + leverage as the D portion is slotted in most versions + curb chain.
                        I think it makes a horse heavy and produces false flexion.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Pelham. Kimberwicks are icky and, as someone said don't have the good qualities of either a snaffle or a leverage bit.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Pelham for sure. You can control if you use leverage or just snaffle, and you can also control how much or how little leverage. Plus it looks much more classy in the show ring.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Most hunter judges will not use you on the card in a kimberwicke, unless they absolutely have to, like more ribbons that horses, or some of the other horses had major, major problems (bucking, rearing, stopping etc)

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                as a judge. i do not care which...IF the horse goes well in it. I showed a childrens hunter for a year in a kimberwicke and only had one judge not use him for the bit. He liked, he went best in it, so we beat other horses that disnt perform as well.
                                I would rather see a happy under control horse in a kimberwicke than a boring down runaway in a pelham.....and yes leave the converter reins at home unless you are in the very beginner divisions.
                                "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
                                carolprudm

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  A straight kimberwicke is like riding with a block of wood in the horses mouth. I used a jointed kimberwicke for fox hunting on my tank appy when I was a teen but for showing, always a broken pelham with two sets of reins. You can use the snaffle piece when you need it, but the curb is there if you need it too.

                                  Kimberwickes seem to be very popular as a school horse or kid's bit.
                                  The rebel in the grey shirt

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                    A straight kimberwicke is like riding with a block of wood in the horses mouth. I used a jointed kimberwicke for fox hunting on my tank appy when I was a teen but for showing, always a broken pelham with two sets of reins. You can use the snaffle piece when you need it, but the curb is there if you need it too.

                                    Kimberwickes seem to be very popular as a school horse or kid's bit.
                                    TaKe a minute to think through the physics of a broken curb ( Pelham or kimberwick). If you want to give an unclear and inconsistent message to your horse, they are the tool of choice. If you want to give both of you a good chance of clear two-way communication, well, give those jointed curbs a pass, please.

                                    Just because they are currently popular doesn't mean they are any good.
                                    madeline
                                    * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Most KWs are solid mouth with a low port though, not a broken mouth. Never seen a broken mouth KW but they may be out there.

                                      The KW seems most effective on a Western breed show type that also goes Western in a curb and is not considered unconventional at all in those venues. Actually makes some sense for them, not that bad a choice for that horse in that situation.

                                      It is in USEF rated, they are uncoventional and others are far better choices.

                                      Also, various regions of the USA, like out west, may view the KW as more conventional because of the popularity of the breed shows and many crossovers from them.

                                      I make no secret it's not my choice unless used as designed-with a curb strap and two reins and then why not a more traditional pelham?

                                      But I can't tell the OP what to choose as bottom line is if that's what he goes best in, go with it. Likely only hurt you in a tie.
                                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        *flamesuit on*I don't think a kimberwicke is a severe bit by no means They can be used nicely with the right hands just like a pelham. If someone stays on the curb with the pelham than thats not the easiest either. I don't know what the big to do is about KWs now. Its just funny how things go out of style and then they are horrible because they are out of style. I remember when KWs were in style. It really bothers me that people think a KW is soooo bad when really there are so many more bits out there that are bad. I'm guessing that all reiners are horrible because they use reining bits, that BTW are worse than KWs in the wrong hands. Its all in the way you use it and if you can't keep a steady hand than its not the bit for you. If going in the hunter ring and you don't want to be looked at funny don't use a KW but I've never known a judge that wouldn't place a nice going hunter with a KW.
                                        Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X