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  • Kimberwicke or pelham?

    Opinions please about bit preferences. Kimberwicke or pelham? Because....

  • #2
    Originally posted by Carol O View Post
    Opinions please about bit preferences. Kimberwicke or pelham? Because....
    Kimberwicke is kind of a bastardized bit that doesn't have any of the qualities of a good snaffle or a good pelham . . . it also tends to lift a head and enable bracing. If I needed brakes and could not handle the extra reins, I'd go to something like a slow twist snaffle first.

    If you've the hands for it, I much prefer a pelham with both reins, not that silly connector thingie which makes it neither fish nor fowl. Then you can ride off the snaffle unless a little reminder is needed from the curb.


    • #3
      Well pelham, duh. Kimberwicks are considered unconventional.


      • #4
        whichever one the horse goes better in
        "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"


        • #5
          Originally posted by mroades View Post
          whichever one the horse goes better in
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          • Original Poster

            Originally posted by HunterRider992 View Post
            Well pelham, duh. Kimberwicks are considered unconventional.
            I agree. I hate kimberwickes. They are very, very popular here though. I love the "duh" part in your response...

            I tried a pelham on a friends horse recently (the mare loved it), and all the advice givers have been repeating "why don't you put her in a kimberwick?" The next time I hear the "K" work I will scream!


            • #7
              If you're going to set hoof in a show ring, pelham, please!
              Originally posted by tidy rabbit
              Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.


              • #8
                Pelham, no contest. I have never been a kimberwick fan.

                If you can't manage the 2 reins, then ask your trainer for other bit suggestions.


                • #9
                  Pelham definitely but please, please no converter! I hate that!
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                  • #10
                    I like pelhams because you don't use the leverage/ curb unless you need to. Use two reins, it is something good to learn and have in your back pocket in case you need it at some point. Kimberwickes, there is no way NOT to use the curb/leverage.
                    I also used a slow twist to get a horse with a hard mouth to listen to what I was asking. She would just run through a regular snaffle and all I had around was a slow twist. She listened to my slight cues and we were able to go back to a regular snaffle, since she respected the bit.
                    I also have a personal hatred of kimberwickes because everyone here who has there western QH "going english" for IHSA puts on a stupid kimberwicke and warms up the horse like a western horse. So when an actual english rider tries to take up contact with the horse's mouth(even the slightest bit, or to half halt etc), the poor horse has a fit because it is used to being left alone, and bumped.


                    • #11
                      Depends on the horse and the show circuit that you are doing. H/J rated shows then a pelham would be the bit of choice. Open or breed shows then you will see many more kimberwicks. Nothing wrong with either, it depends on what the horse is more comfortable in and what you are asking the horse to do.


                      • #12
                        It is a very severe bit. While it may have a use in the hunt field, it doesn't in the show ring...
                        Port + leverage as the D portion is slotted in most versions + curb chain.
                        I think it makes a horse heavy and produces false flexion.


                        • #13
                          Pelham. Kimberwicks are icky and, as someone said don't have the good qualities of either a snaffle or a leverage bit.


                          • #14
                            Pelham for sure. You can control if you use leverage or just snaffle, and you can also control how much or how little leverage. Plus it looks much more classy in the show ring.


                            • #15
                              Most hunter judges will not use you on the card in a kimberwicke, unless they absolutely have to, like more ribbons that horses, or some of the other horses had major, major problems (bucking, rearing, stopping etc)


                              • #16
                                as a judge. i do not care which...IF the horse goes well in it. I showed a childrens hunter for a year in a kimberwicke and only had one judge not use him for the bit. He liked, he went best in it, so we beat other horses that disnt perform as well.
                                I would rather see a happy under control horse in a kimberwicke than a boring down runaway in a pelham.....and yes leave the converter reins at home unless you are in the very beginner divisions.
                                "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"


                                • #17
                                  A straight kimberwicke is like riding with a block of wood in the horses mouth. I used a jointed kimberwicke for fox hunting on my tank appy when I was a teen but for showing, always a broken pelham with two sets of reins. You can use the snaffle piece when you need it, but the curb is there if you need it too.

                                  Kimberwickes seem to be very popular as a school horse or kid's bit.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                    A straight kimberwicke is like riding with a block of wood in the horses mouth. I used a jointed kimberwicke for fox hunting on my tank appy when I was a teen but for showing, always a broken pelham with two sets of reins. You can use the snaffle piece when you need it, but the curb is there if you need it too.

                                    Kimberwickes seem to be very popular as a school horse or kid's bit.
                                    TaKe a minute to think through the physics of a broken curb ( Pelham or kimberwick). If you want to give an unclear and inconsistent message to your horse, they are the tool of choice. If you want to give both of you a good chance of clear two-way communication, well, give those jointed curbs a pass, please.

                                    Just because they are currently popular doesn't mean they are any good.
                                    * What you release is what you teach * Don't be distracted by unwanted behavior* Whoever waits the longest is the teacher. Van Hargis


                                    • #19
                                      Most KWs are solid mouth with a low port though, not a broken mouth. Never seen a broken mouth KW but they may be out there.

                                      The KW seems most effective on a Western breed show type that also goes Western in a curb and is not considered unconventional at all in those venues. Actually makes some sense for them, not that bad a choice for that horse in that situation.

                                      It is in USEF rated, they are uncoventional and others are far better choices.

                                      Also, various regions of the USA, like out west, may view the KW as more conventional because of the popularity of the breed shows and many crossovers from them.

                                      I make no secret it's not my choice unless used as designed-with a curb strap and two reins and then why not a more traditional pelham?

                                      But I can't tell the OP what to choose as bottom line is if that's what he goes best in, go with it. Likely only hurt you in a tie.
                                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                                      • #20
                                        *flamesuit on*I don't think a kimberwicke is a severe bit by no means They can be used nicely with the right hands just like a pelham. If someone stays on the curb with the pelham than thats not the easiest either. I don't know what the big to do is about KWs now. Its just funny how things go out of style and then they are horrible because they are out of style. I remember when KWs were in style. It really bothers me that people think a KW is soooo bad when really there are so many more bits out there that are bad. I'm guessing that all reiners are horrible because they use reining bits, that BTW are worse than KWs in the wrong hands. Its all in the way you use it and if you can't keep a steady hand than its not the bit for you. If going in the hunter ring and you don't want to be looked at funny don't use a KW but I've never known a judge that wouldn't place a nice going hunter with a KW.
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