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  • HUGE PROBLEM regarding my beloved bridle

    So I read somewhere on here about cleaning tack with an amonia/water mixture to get rid of any gunk on it. Well, I did that yesterday to my Hadfield bridle and martingale, and it completely stripped the finish off of it . It looks AWFUL!!!!! What went wrong??? Do you think that Hadfield could help me? How do I contact them??? I need help and I need it fast!

    P.S. I have now oiled it several times with olive oil, and it is just soaking it up, but its not making any difference. I am hoping and praying that it is just really, really, really, dry and that some oil and conditioner will help.

    **UPDATE**: I have given it a good treatment with Leather therapy and it seems to be helping a lot! I have hope! I think the bridle can be saved! On the plus side, it is now a jaw dropping dark havana/mahogany color!
    Last edited by spmoonie; Aug. 2, 2009, 11:20 AM.
    "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

  • #2
    ACK!

    Ammonia & water??? I had a moldy saddle that someone on here suggested washing with distilled vinegar/water. I did, and it came out OK I guess, but then it reeked of vinegar! Baking soda got that smell out.

    I don't know what to tell you about damaged finish on tack. Maybe someone on here has a good solution?

    Good luck, I feel for you!

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    • #3
      Maybe you used too much amonia? I have used the amonia/water mixture many times with much success, but I only use a little bit, like a few cap fulls. I've never had it completely strip the bridle before. Sorry, I wish I could tell you what to do, but I don't know!! I would definitely try calling Hadfields and see what they say. Good luck.

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        #4
        Originally posted by ILuvmyButtercups View Post
        Ammonia & water??? I had a moldy saddle that someone on here suggested washing with distilled vinegar/water. I did, and it came out OK I guess, but then it reeked of vinegar! Baking soda got that smell out.

        I don't know what to tell you about damaged finish on tack. Maybe someone on here has a good solution?

        Good luck, I feel for you!
        I read about it on here. Several posters swore by it and said they had done it to their own Hadfield bridles, but I have no clue what went wrong when I did it.
        "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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          #5
          Originally posted by Lollipop View Post
          Maybe you used too much amonia? I have used the amonia/water mixture many times with much success, but I only use a little bit, like a few cap fulls. I've never had it completely strip the bridle before. Sorry, I wish I could tell you what to do, but I don't know!! I would definitely try calling Hadfields and see what they say. Good luck.
          I did about one "glug" in a bucket of water.
          "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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          • #6
            I think this is why I stick to glycerine soap and using what stubs of fingernails I have to get all the horse buildup off. Sometimes a toothpick or qtip in those small spaces. I've invested all my money in a beval butet and beval and edgewood acessories. Ide call the manufacturers but I'm really not sure if they could do much because I wouldn't imagine they would suggest that as a way to clean the tack. Maybe run to your local knowledgeable tack store? Those are lovely bridles and I wish you the best. Two months after I purchased my butet and it was oiled I got caught in a suprised summer rainstorm and my saddle turned into an appy with orange huge spots all over it, thankfully it dried back to the oil color with no flaws.
            "Fifty years from now when you're looking back at your life don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get back on that horse?"

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            • #7
              I clean all of my high-end bridlework with ammonia/water-- I've even used straight amonia-- and have for years with no problems whatsoever. Old tack, new tack, grungy tack-- you name it/ I would call Hadfields, that sounds like some type of unusual reaction.
              ~Veronica
              "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
              http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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              • #8
                Yep, my Arc bridle came out very clean with the ammonia/water mix and the reins are like new. I even used a toothbrush on them because they were so gross. Afterwards, I applied a light coat of the Effol stuff in the brown tub (can't rememeber the exact name) and everything is lovely. I have ruined reins before (doing something else) so I can relate to the stomach dropping moment you must have had. Good luck!

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                • #9
                  I'm always terrified of ruining my tack (especially after one time, a few yrs ago, i clearly forgot my brain at home, and went swimming in the river with my Devoucoux saddle on.. my poor saddle looked TERRIBLE for like a week. It didn't help that it was so damn humid out all the time that it really took forever to dry out. It looks good as new, now, though.) I just stick to good old lexol and a soft toothbrush if i really really have to. Leather therapy is good, too, but I prefer my lexol. As for darkening, I like hydrophane.

                  I've had some icky buildup on my bridle before, but in that case I just take it all apart and whip out the toothbrush and get in every nook & cranny. Never used ammonia..
                  (|--Sarah--|)

                  Blitz <3 & Leap of Faith <3

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                    I clean all of my high-end bridlework with ammonia/water-- I've even used straight amonia-- and have for years with no problems whatsoever. Old tack, new tack, grungy tack-- you name it/ I would call Hadfields, that sounds like some type of unusual reaction.
                    Do you think they would help? I mean, cleaning it with amonia isnt exactly how they recommend caring for the leather.
                    "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                    • #11
                      I would definitly call them! They may have some suggestions. I feel your pain though...that feeling of "why did I do this" I've had before as well.

                      I stick with Lexol and a coase, terry wash cloth for the harder to remove stuff.

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                      • #12
                        They know their tack better than anyone else, it can't hurt to ask!

                        And it's not like you submerged it in unicorn's blood or cat pee or something-- you cleaned it with ammonia diluted in water, that's not unheard of. I am sure you're not the first person to do that to a Hadfield bridle and, IMHO, the bridle ought to be able withstand that kind of treatment and there might be something NQR with your bridle if it responded the way it did.
                        ~Veronica
                        "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                        http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                          They know their tack better than anyone else, it can't hurt to ask!

                          And it's not like you submerged it in unicorn's blood or cat pee or something-- you cleaned it with ammonia diluted in water, that's not unheard of. I am sure you're not the first person to do that to a Hadfield bridle and, IMHO, the bridle ought to be able withstand that kind of treatment and there might be something NQR with your bridle if it responded the way it did.
                          After a lot of oil and conditioner, it looks pretty normal, but it doesnt have that luster or shine to it like it did before. Is this normal?
                          "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                          • #14
                            As long as you don't mix it with cat pee, unicorn's blood is fine to for cleaning even the most luxurious tack, though it's easy to use too much.

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                            • #15
                              Was this a new, new new bridle we're talking about?

                              Maybe you just removed the waxy coating and now you're seeing the cleaned leather underneath. Leather's not supposed to be patent-leather shiny on a Hadfield bridle... maybe photos would help?!

                              None of my tack arrived "shiny" but some did arrive with a coating that needed to be removed. Maybe you'd call that waxy coating shiny?!
                              ~Veronica
                              "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                              http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                                Was this a new, new new bridle we're talking about?

                                Maybe you just removed the waxy coating and now you're seeing the cleaned leather underneath. Leather's not supposed to be patent-leather shiny on a Hadfield bridle... maybe photos would help?!

                                None of my tack arrived "shiny" but some did arrive with a coating that needed to be removed. Maybe you'd call that waxy coating shiny?!
                                I had the bridle for about 4 months. It wasnt really shiny, but it did kind of "glow." Now, it has no shine to it what so ever. Very dull looking. I might not have hurt it at all, but this morning it looked as if half the dye had been washed out. Now that I have oiled it, it is looking much better.
                                "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                                • #17
                                  Can you take some pictures? That doesn't sound like a normal reaction to ammonia diluted in water to me. In fact, if the dye didn't take properly-- it could very well have been the water alone the caused the problem (a la the Edgewood bridle bleed that some fault bridles had) and NOT the ammonia at all. It doesn't sound like you did anything that would warrant the leather response you're describing. This is bridlework. It's supposed to hold up to use and cleaning.
                                  ~Veronica
                                  "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                                  http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                                    Can you take some pictures? That doesn't sound like a normal reaction to ammonia diluted in water to me. In fact, if the dye didn't take properly-- it could very well have been the water alone the caused the problem (a la the Edgewood bridle bleed that some fault bridles had) and NOT the ammonia at all. It doesn't sound like you did anything that would warrant the leather response you're describing. This is bridlework. It's supposed to hold up to use and cleaning.
                                    I dont have access to a camera right now, but I will call Hadfield's on Monday. Thanks for all your help!
                                    "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                                      #19
                                      I went ahead and called Hadfield's and they said it stripped the finish off of it. Apparently, Amonia destroys their leather. She said the best thing I could do for it is to keep conditioning it.
                                      "To do something that you feel in your heart that's great, you need to make a lot of mistakes. Anything that is successful is a series of mistakes." -B.J. Armstrong

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                                      • #20
                                        Our Passiers go swimming in the Fraser River frequently out hunting - Those Devocux are sissies. Just slowly air dry them and they are good for the next week, within reason.

                                        I have e-mailed Steubben for how to start my brand new Steubben 1001 bridle - witing for a reply.
                                        This thread is a good warning!
                                        Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

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