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Junior Hunters In the Eq Ring?

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  • Junior Hunters In the Eq Ring?

    I've seen some very expensive and successful junior hunter horses also do well in the Eq Ring. Is there any reason not to cross over and do both?

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    well, it could be tough to do both at each show, as sometimes the divisions will be going on the same day(s)--that's too much for one horse. however some certainly do well doing both on different days/at different shows. i don't see why not. however some of the jr hunters -- especially the really amazing horses who totally crack their backs over every jump -- would just not be practical for an equitation class. having beautiful eq over 3'6" fences is not easy. having a horse that jumps you out of the tack makes it a lot harder, so some of them are not as preferable. for eq, you want a flat, comfortable jumper.
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    • #3
      I find this a little bit sad.
      That you can't or at least are discouraged to do the Eq on a horse that jumps well.
      I'm not arguing the point made, the facts of it just depresses me.
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      • #4
        The eq horses DO jump well (after all it's important they keep the rails up and make it look effortless) but you just aren't look for that jaw dropping 10+ jump in an eq horse just because it's harder to equitate on and your chances of slipping or getting jumped out of the tack are larger.

        That being said, I think lots could (and do) successfully cross over or do both.
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        • #5
          I do the big eq on my junior hunter all the time .

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          • #6
            "Jack of all Trades, Master of None". You're not going to see the TOP Jr Hunters in the Eq ring, because both the Hunters and the Equitation are specialties. The programs required to produce and maintain them are very different. The top riders have hunter specialists and equitation specialists.

            That's not to say that you can't take your Jr Hunter into the Eq ring and do just fine. Depending on the competition you might to do well. But in my opinion, the kind of work and prep required for the Equitation will take the spark right out of a hunter. Drill the hunter enough on the tight turns, quiet distances, scary angles, etc required of an Eq horse and a special hunter becomes a dull one.
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            • #7
              We have a girl who does both on her gelding. They are a lovely pair, and between his pretty, pretty jump and her killer eq, they do just fine. I think the "eq-ing" keeps him a little more on his toes.
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              • #8
                Additionally, the classes run on the same days at many shows. That's a lot of classes for a horse to be jumping in one weekend, especially since many of the good junior horses don't do any warm-up classes during the week, only their division.

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                • #9
                  Used to do my hunter in the equitation as well. Always came in very handy at Harrisburg - four rounds of junior hunters later, he was quite ready to play medal finals games!

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                  • #10
                    Some of it could have to do with the increase in the number of equitation classes (i.e. Washington, PHA, USET, THIS, etc.). That would make the Junior Hunter division and the equitation quite few classes to do in one weekend.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by superpony123 View Post
                      well, it could be tough to do both at each show, as sometimes the divisions will be going on the same day(s)--that's too much for one horse. however some certainly do well doing both on different days/at different shows. i don't see why not. however some of the jr hunters -- especially the really amazing horses who totally crack their backs over every jump -- would just not be practical for an equitation class. having beautiful eq over 3'6" fences is not easy. having a horse that jumps you out of the tack makes it a lot harder, so some of them are not as preferable. for eq, you want a flat, comfortable jumper.
                      I agree. i'm not saying that successful junior hunters CAN'T do eq, but it just makes even harder for the rider to stay on (if they do crack their back hard over the jumps).

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                      • #12
                        I'm pretty sure that at Devon this year a lot of the junior eq riders were also doing either the junior hunters or the junior jumpers and some of those riders did the divisions with the same horse (like both eq and hunters OR both eq and jumpers). Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

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                        • #13
                          Most of us used to do eq and medals on our junior hunters. Some people had more than one hunter, a small and a large, or whatever, and would use one in the eq. and medals. But it wasn't until the last 10 or 15 years that so many people began having horses JUST to do the eq.

                          If there are so many more eq. classes now, I can see where it would be a burden. But I never had any problem doing everything on whatever green hunter I had at the time, all of whom cracked their backs. If you are used to riding that sort of jump in the hunters, your equitation should be solid enough to do it in the medals. Right?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by foursocks View Post
                            Most of us used to do eq and medals on our junior hunters. Some people had more than one hunter, a small and a large, or whatever, and would use one in the eq. and medals. But it wasn't until the last 10 or 15 years that so many people began having horses JUST to do the eq.
                            ?
                            I recall as early as the mid-eighties when I was a junior that it was common at the top barns for juniors to have specialists for each division - the top junior hunters did not cross over into the eq, and vice versa. There were a few exceptions to this at the top - Night Life (aka Buzzy) comes to mind, and Charge Account sometimes did (and won) both divisions. But generally you would not see people riding a top hunter in the eq. (for one thing a flat jumper was preferred for the eq., for another, even the top junior hunters frequently were not as technically proficient / well schooled on all the tests, etc. as the eq. horses).
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                            • #15
                              Way back in 1992, my horse went to our National Finals in the big eq medal (CEF Medal back then), the junior hunters, and the Regular hunters. She was pretty great, but a very different type than most horses today. She was a TB through and through.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Paint Hunter/Jumper View Post
                                I'm pretty sure that at Devon this year a lot of the junior eq riders were also doing either the junior hunters or the junior jumpers and some of those riders did the divisions with the same horse (like both eq and hunters OR both eq and jumpers). Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
                                Most, if not all, of those riders have more than one horse. A junior jumper at Devon is not likely to be quiet enough to look good in the equitation (I say not likely because Reed Kessler's Flight did show at USET finals successfully).
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