• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Teaching beginner riding lessons

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Teaching beginner riding lessons

    I have been teaching riding lessons at my barn for a year. It has been a challenge, yet so much fun and rewarding.

    I mostly just cover lessons when the main trainer is out of town. I usually work on things she has already covered and things they need to practice on. I noticed most of the beginners do not have a very "strong" sitting trot. They mostly bounce, raise hands, and habitually start posting in a few seconds.

    What are some techniques or tips you have to strengthen beginners sitting trots. A lounge line is not optional, I often have 4-5 of these kids in one lesson for a hour. Thanks in advance!

  • #2
    I think there's a quote, "Only perfect practice makes perfect". In other words, don't ask these kids to do a sitting trot all the way around the ring for 5 minutes straight. If they can't hold it, they aren't practicing anything beneficial, and are likely hurting their horses backs bouncing around!

    I would have them try and maintain a decent sitting trot across the short side of the ring, then go back to posting (or down to a walk, even) down the long side to reorganize. Then sitting the short side again. Lather, rinse, repeat. If they're really messy, they can hook a finger under the pommel to help hold themselves in place. Better to practice and gain the muscle memory of doing it RIGHT, even with help/in short bursts, than to go around and around flopping all over.

    If your beginners are little kids, I think it's also a strength and leg length (or lack thereof) issue, and there's not a whole lot you can do about that until they grow some. I used to teach beginners at summer camp - have fun!

    Comment


    • #3
      I think the hardest thing about learning to sit the trot is getting the movement right.

      I have only recently gotten the hang of it and I've been riding for years. I remember when I was first learning to ride English (rode Western before) and was learning to sit a forward trot (big difference compared to a nice Western jog). The instructors would always tell me to "sit still." This would cause me to stiffen my body and try to sit as still as possible. I would slam into my horse's back and quickly start bracing or posing to keep from bouncing out of the saddle. In equitation classes, the sitting trot was my kiss of death. I was very frustrated because it was always so easy when riding Western.

      Only recently (within the past two years) have I figured out that sitting the trot is a deliberate movement - much in the same way that posting or sitting the canter is a deliberate movement of the legs and hips. The difficult thing is that unlike the canter, the trot is different on every horse. It seems like a variation on a side to side, or figure-eight type movement with the hips and a deliberate relaxation of the lower back and shoulders but engagement of the abs. Hard to describe - but the take home message is that when teaching you should be clear to your students that they shouldn't be trying to sit still.

      Comment


      • #4
        Exactly how beginner are the kids? I work at the camp at my barn and don't think we even touch the sitting trot until they have a very strong posting trot. I would keep working on posting/2 point etc at the trot until they relax and become more comfortable in the saddle.

        If they are slightly more advanced and you have saintly schoolies you could try having them drop their stirrups so they get the feeling of sitting deep in the saddle and letting their legs wrap around their horse.It sounds like they're still pretty new though if their hands are flying around. A lot of the time we'll have kids hold saddle pads/saddle to secure themselves better when their legs are still weak and it also keeps them from hitting the horses in the mouths. Good luck!!
        Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. Explore. Dream. Discover.
        ~Mark Twain

        Comment


        • #5
          I agree with the posters above.

          Start sit trot work at the point where your students are comfortable, balanced and able to show an independant hand at a posting trot.

          For many students it is a challenge to sit the trot and keep the stirrups from bouncing around. I have the benefit of working mostly one on one with my students and on saintly schoolhorses so I will introduce sitting trot without stirrups fairly early on as I believe it to be easier if on the right horse of course.

          Since you are working with groups perhaps doing some exercizes at a walk without stirrups where your riders can feel comfortable finding their balance in their seat would be a good option to actually having a whole group try to sit trot with out stirrups right out of the shoot.

          My experience is that most students will feel unbalanced working at a sitting trot. They tend to grab with their leg for security.

          Before you ask them do do a sitting trot, go over the concept again at a walk. Make a point out of explaining (again) to your students the basic stop and go. If you press with your leg the horse will go faster. When he goes faster his back will move more.
          "I know it's hard but try not to press with your leg as this will make your horse go faster and become more bouncy"
          Don't ever presume that basics like this is something that is not worth repeating over and over again. I know you said it but they probably don't remember or put it in context right here.

          To reinforce, explain how when you press your thighs into the saddle this will make you lift out of it. Have them practice and feel at a walk. Press your legs in, feel the lift. Relax your leg, feel how you sink closer to the saddle.
          Explain the twoferone. Press and you will make your horse go faster and be more boucy and you will push yourself out of the saddle and loose that security.
          Relax and your horse will trot slower and you will be able to stay in the saddle and feel balanced.

          I like to tell my students that if something you sit on moves up and down basic laws of physics states that you will move up and down too. If you try to fight it you will bounce. The key is to relax and allow yourself to move up and down with your horse. I tell them to try to be like a hackysack. Totally limber and relaxed following the motion of the horse. So what if they end up a little sloppy, that is easily fixed later.

          I always encourage my students to grab the saddle or the saddle pad and pull themselfs down if needed. Once they feel secure they can let go a little and if they "loose the tack" they can pull themselves back down again. It is in my opinion better both for the students and the horses if they hold onto the saddle a little then if they just bounce loose and never get the right feel.



          I teach a lot of beginners and I love it. What I have learned over the years is that repetitioin and safety is key. Think of your last lesson, (whatever subject, riding , science you name it) how much can you honestly say that you remember well enough to apply in practice and under some stress? Remember that your students are sitting on a live animal, not on a schoolbench (even if you know your horses to be just that).
          Don't ever feel that you can't go over something again just because you already said in once or twice!

          Also, when I first started teaching I was afraid that my students wouldn't find my lesson interesting or fun enough and I sometimes asked them to do too much before they were ready.
          Let your students know the short term goal and let them tell you/show you that they are ready to move up a step. Develop a check list for each step and so if a loose but gutsy student says when can we jump? You can tell her, when you can ace the sitting trot!

          Ok, got another bright flash about the sittting trot and other booring exercizes. Let your students know (and repaet it every other lesson) what they need to master before they will be allowed to do "more fun stuff". It will make them try harder if they have a goal then if they think that they are just suffering through the motions of the lesson.

          About 25 years ago I took group lessons at a local barn. When it came to the sitting trot I'd suffer through it but not really try, when we were asked to drop our stirrups I'd drop the inside one and keep the outside stirrup thinking I was slick. I now know that it's very easy to spot a faker from the middle (I'll call my students on it and retell this very story) but my instructor never once called me on faking. Either she was not very skilled or she just didn't care anymore. Since she didn't care and I didn't care (I was 7 years old cut me some slack LOL) I never got any better under her training.

          Final advice is tell every student in the end of the lesson what she did well. Don't look for faults, look for advances. Sure, they pay you to tell them what to do better, but they also want to feel good about their accomplishments and sometimes going for a positive will have more effect.
          "you were on the correct diagonal this whole lesson, you are really setting a good example for the others" will make sure she never posts on the wrong diagonal again in a much more effective way then "you have to do a lap of sitting trot wo stirrups for everytime I catch you on the wrong diagonal" (can be applied to everything)
          Timothy, stop lurking

          Comment

          Working...
          X