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  • Originally posted by In the Air
    Okay, this could be the first COTH scavenger hunt.

    1. Find Diva
    2. Find RaceTB
    3. Find Frank Hernandez
    Are we missing anything else...
    Yes we are missing my winning lottery ticket. Please when you find it let me know. That... and my mind... cause of all the things I've lost... I miss my mind the most.

    Jodi in Morriston FL
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    • Originally posted by In the Air
      Okay, this could be the first COTH scavenger hunt.

      1. Find Diva
      2. Find RaceTB
      3. Find Frank Hernandez
      Are we missing anything else...
      Oh I forgot, we are also looking for some missing integrity...
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      • sidlehill, your posts make a mockery of the serious nature of this situation. It appears you do not take your profession seriously, and you do not take your client seriously. Your insistance on focussing on other posters here says that you are guilty of what you have been accused of.

        I was interested in hearing your (the trainer's) side to this, because after many years on COTH, I have learned things aren't always as they appear in the begining...but your posts have proven to me that you are insincere at best.

        I especially enjoy how you are unwilling to share your side of things...if you were to tell us your position, would it help or hurt you?

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        • Personally I am just glad this lured Harry back into our loving arms. I've missed him.
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          • I'm not sure if anyone else has said this. But instead of writing out this drawn out posts about what is going on or how you feel. Just tell the owner where the pony is now so she can bring HER pony home. It is a pretty simple question that should have a simple answer. Your pony is here, here is how you can contact the people who have her end of story. I'm not sure what all the banter is about, there must be something else going on that is not being shared.

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            • Leah -
              So sorry to read this. We love our two Ollie fillies - praying this gorgeous girl comes back to you soon.

              ILona
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              • For those who joined the thread late here is the trainer's second post where she responds to Leah's statements (I have put Leah's statements in quotes and the trainer in italics to make it easier to follow).

                Originally posted by sidlehill2
                I realize I should have been on top of this sooner. I have been trying to contact the trainer on a regular basis...I have a log of all of my attempts. My biggest mistake was not going "public" with this earlier...I Wowelsh.
                (The trainer had been trying to contact you, as well. The pony was not going to work out for divisions, ss or any other area. The trainer had two rides lined up for the pony to return to you.)

                She had provided some good references, so I kept thinking everything was OK. Wowelsh.
                (She had good references because she has always been honest with the pony owners and has sold several ponies for large welsh breeders.)

                When we were in somewhat regular contact still, she had contacted me and said she felt Diva needed some time to grow up and was willing to keep her there and just let her grow up...said it was fine if I wanted to leave her there. Wowelsh.
                (The owner phoned the trainer two (2) times in a two year period.)

                The reason I didn't hop in the truck and go there (btw, a 13 hr drive each way, by car and I'm sure more with a trailer), was because of "life"...I had a baby, a husband who travels almost constantly on business, and a farm with 20 horses/ponies to care for. It's not like I can take off, at the drop of a hat...and again, I was hoping everything was OK. Wowelsh.
                ('Life' happens to all of us. It is ok that you were too involved in life to check on the pony, but the trainer has no life and nothing unpleasant or unexpected happens?)

                When I recently "dug up" her new/current cell phone number and left messages, none of them were returned. Wowelsh/
                (Dug up the number? The first that had been heard of your concern was the arrival of an email from your husband. The email was answered with the trainer's cell phone number attached.)

                Also, I referred someone to her farm recently and the trainer said she didn't have any large ponies (panic!). Wowelsh.
                (You referred someone to the trainer's farm? Or did you have someone who was considered a close friend of the trainer to inspect the farm, without the knowledge of the trainer?)

                Meanwhile, while I've been totally unable to reach her, all of my contact info has remained exactly the same (same name, phone, address, website, etc.). There is no excuse for not reaching me, before moving the pony off from her premises. Wowelsh.
                (The moment the first email arrived, you were contacted. Yes, in the period of three years, people do change cell phone companies. "Life" happens to everyone.)

                So, in retrospect, it's obvious that I should have been more aggressive, earlier on, but I'm one of these silly people who likes to think people will do what they say...or at least contact you, if they're planning to re-negotiate your agreement. Wowelsh.
                (Aggression should have nothing to do with a matter of this sort. You have been asked to resolve this in an adult manner. This is childish and a waste of time. Embarrassment tactics are silly and without effect. The trainer has never made one penny on this pony, but can show legitimate records for well over eight thousand dollars invested in this pony in the last three years. The pony is healthy, muscled, trained, shoed. It is doubtful that the trainer will engage in any further 'web' post, but at some point, the trainer should, at least, have some of the 'other side' printed.)
                I think the most important statement made in the trainer's post is when she said this:

                (The trainer had been trying to contact you, as well. The pony was not going to work out for divisions, ss or any other area. The trainer had two rides lined up for the pony to return to you.)
                She claims that her intention was to return the pony but Leah was impossible to contact (anyone who knows Leah will dispute this as she is always home with her toddler and always answers the phone and her emails in addition to being an equine computer list junkie )

                Legally it is clear that the trainer, an alleged professional did not use due diligence in her attempts to do the right thing: return the pony if she felt she was not working out in the original agreement.

                Due diligence (also known as due care) is the effort made by an ordinarily prudent or reasonable party to avoid harm to another party or himself. Failure to make this effort is considered negligence.

                There is simply no reasonable excuse that could be offered as to why the pony was not returned as the trainer alleged she planned to do but INSTEAD shipped the pony to someone unknown in another state for some unknown purpose.

                The owner shouldn't have to be a detective and be forced to send certified letters in the hopes of getting a response! The trainer was unreachable until this thread became public... and then all of the sudden she appears and claims she has been unable to contact the owner.

                I for one do not believe this story for one second as it is simply not plausible and a criminal or civil court will agree if that becomes necessary and the court of public opinion has already rendered the verdict.

                One wonders what price some people place on their business reputation for a relatively minor pony deal. I will admit I have heard some stories of major skulduggery between trainers when the gloves come off to bag the huge six figure pony sale
                ) ... not that big money ever excuses bad behavior
                Last edited by adventurebeachponies; Aug. 3, 2006, 12:35 PM.
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                • I don't understand why the owner has not gone to the police or the DA and be escorted to the farm, with registration papers and pictures and demand the return of the pony. You can get a court order for that. It is quite simple if you have proof of ownership and all other documentation. As someone posted earlier something just doesn't seem right.

                  Not to knock the owner but I sure as hell would be on top of this. If my pony was at a trainers I would visit monthly or weekly, even if it was far away.
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                  • Originally posted by Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division
                    I don't understand why the owner has not gone to the police or the DA and be escorted to the farm, with registration papers and pictures and demand the return of the pony. You can get a court order for that. It is quite simple if you have proof of ownership and all other documentation. As someone posted earlier something just doesn't seem right.

                    Not to knock the owner but I sure as hell would be on top of this. If my pony was at a trainers I would visit monthly or weekly, even if it was far away.
                    The pony is not at the farm. That is the problem. It is being hidden out and the trainer will not reveal where it is so the owner can retrieve the pony.
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                    • We don't know that, adventurebeachponies.

                      However what I know is that this trainer is quickly ruining her career. Nice job!
                      *Faune D'Helby*

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                      • Originally posted by Boston Chicken
                        We don't know that, adventurebeachponies.

                        However what I know is that this trainer is quickly ruining her career. Nice job!
                        The farm was visited and the pony was not there and the trainer has since admitted the pony was moved out of state.
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                        • I had hoped OP would post that the pony is on my farm. I told OP on Tuesday that the pony is available for pick up at anytime, once the finances were settled. Thursday, yesterday, I sent another email to OP stating that I wanted to be clear that she understood the pony was here and could be collected. Also emailed photos of pony to OP this morning. Also enclosed a note that the coggins had expired and would have a new one in hand by Tuesday, August 8, 2006.

                          The website has been closed for a year or so. Not enough time to manage it.

                          I have not wanted to disclose information. I was encourgaged by friends to respond to posts. Twice I did and twice I was burned. I think it is a waste of everyone's time to try to figure out how to settle something that is no one's business but the two people involved. Again, I have succumbed to pressure and responded.

                          Maybe this will make clear there is no 'Missing Pony'. Never was.

                          Debbie Sidle

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                          • Then Wowelsh should get her trailer hitched and get a move on. It's good to know the pony is safe
                            *Faune D'Helby*

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                            • Originally posted by adventurebeachponies
                              The farm was visited and the pony was not there and the trainer has since admitted the pony was moved out of state.
                              I have never met or spoken with you. How can you state as fact ANYTHING to do with this matter?

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                              • Originally posted by sidlehill2
                                I had hoped OP would post that the pony is on my farm. I told OP on Tuesday that the pony is available for pick up at anytime, once the finances were settled. Thursday, yesterday, I sent another email to OP stating that I wanted to be clear that she understood the pony was here and could be collected. Also emailed photos of pony to OP this morning. Also enclosed a note that the coggins had expired and would have a new one in hand by Tuesday, August 8, 2006.

                                The website has been closed for a year or so. Not enough time to manage it.

                                I have not wanted to disclose information. I was encourgaged by friends to respond to posts. Twice I did and twice I was burned. I think it is a waste of everyone's time to try to figure out how to settle something that is no one's business but the two people involved. Again, I have succumbed to pressure and responded.

                                Maybe this will make clear there is no 'Missing Pony'. Never was.

                                Debbie Sidle
                                well see, if you had just said that in the first place, instead of making those wacky posts, this would have all ended much earlier (though with far less amusement) ...

                                Good to know that the pony was not actually abducted by aliens or conscripted into a travelling roadshow.
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                                • I've been following this thread here and there so forgive me if this has already been talked about but why is it taking the owner so long to go to the police, file a report, and take legal action?

                                  I am on the side of the owner, the trainer is obviously full of BS, but I don't get why the owner didnt do something sooner? Has there been any progress since all this came out on this BB?
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                                  • The thing I'm still confused about is this- if the agreement was for the trainer to eat all the costs until the time of the sale, and then make a commission of the sale price minus $X desired by the owner (meaning that the more money the trainer puts into the horse, the less she makes), then when it was decided that the pony needed to have some time to grow, what prudent trainer would offer to keep the pony during the "growth time?" (When the pony would be eating money with no prospect of earning it back anytime soon.) Wouldn't a reasonable trainer with their own best interest at heart ask that the pony go home to grow a while, then come back when the deal will once again be profitable? This seems like a red flag to me, and very fishy.

                                    Either the trainer assumed (assumed is the key word) that the deal would be on "pause" during the growth time and the owner would pay its bills until it could go back into training, and, after forgetting to mention this plan to the owner, sold the pony to recover these "unpaid" bills... or the trainer knew that the owner would let her diligence slip a bit and pay less attention to the pony when it was "growing up" (because there would be no training reports to request, so not as much contact would be necessary), and therefore saw the "your pony needs some time to grow up, why don't you let me keep her while she grows" scheme as a window of opportunity for her to make some fast cash without the owner noticing. (Be it sale, lease, lessons, etc.)

                                    Edited to add: Sidlehill was making her posts while I was typing this up. Good to hear the pony is safe and will be on the way home soon. While it would be nice to know what Diva's been up to all this time, its none of my bisiness anymore! Yay, the pony is found!
                                    Last edited by archieflies; Aug. 3, 2006, 01:43 PM.

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                                    • Originally posted by sidlehill2
                                      I had hoped OP would post that the pony is on my farm. I told OP on Tuesday that the pony is available for pick up at anytime, once the finances were settled. Thursday, yesterday, I sent another email to OP stating that I wanted to be clear that she understood the pony was here and could be collected. Also emailed photos of pony to OP this morning. Also enclosed a note that the coggins had expired and would have a new one in hand by Tuesday, August 8, 2006.

                                      The website has been closed for a year or so. Not enough time to manage it.

                                      I have not wanted to disclose information. I was encourgaged by friends to respond to posts. Twice I did and twice I was burned. I think it is a waste of everyone's time to try to figure out how to settle something that is no one's business but the two people involved. Again, I have succumbed to pressure and responded.

                                      Maybe this will make clear there is no 'Missing Pony'. Never was.

                                      Debbie Sidle
                                      I have not talked to the OP today but I did discuss this situation with her after you spoke to her on the phone and at that time she said that you refused to disclose the pony's location and claimed it was in another state. A person had also visited your farm to look for the pony and she was not there so there is no doubt that the pony was at one time "missing".

                                      I am glad to hear that the pony has allegedly been shipped back to your farm where she should have been all along and do hope all things work out well from here from this point.

                                      Thanks for presenting your side in a way that is not attacking the posters on the thread who only care about the well being of the pony and that each party fulfills the terms of its original agreement.
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                                      • Hey Debbie I am glad you have Diva and she is OK.

                                        What was your agreement with the OP? Did you agree to keep the pony for as long as it took to sell her and pay all expenses? Like she would get x amount of the selling price and you would get the rest? Did you guys have an agreement what would happen if after a year or two or three you could not sell the pony and the OP wanted it back? Was she responsible for any of the vet, board or farrier bills in that eventuality? Did you guys have a written agreement? I hope so. I hope this all works out.

                                        I can't imagine expecting someone to keep my pony for 3 years while trying to sell it and not charge me a dime. Unless you were generating income off of the pony with lessons or a lease or something. Where I come from 3 years board and upkeep (and the training you hopefull put into her) is a lot of $$$. You would have to sell the pony for an awful lot to recoup all that money still pay the OP and make a profit. What was the price of this pony anyway?

                                        What a mess. I guess you both have probably learned some things from this.

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                                        • This farm is over 100 acres of rolling woods. There are four barns spread over it. Just because you sent someone and that someone could not find the pony, doesn't mean it wasn't here.

                                          I don't think I should discuss the terms of the agreement. If the OP wants you to know, I think she will tell you.

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