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    Last edited by skysthelimit4; Jul. 16, 2009, 02:05 PM. Reason: delete message

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    I think you should actually judge a show before you get to say that...if often looks very different when you are the one holding the clipboard.
    "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
    carolprudm

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    • #3
      I think you should be happy you had a good ride and concentrate on repeating your good performance at future shows. If indeed the judge got it wrong, your results should be better another day.
      Roseknoll Sporthorses
      www.roseknoll.net

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      • #4
        How would you know if you think you deserved to win any of your flat classes? You should be focused on yourself and your horse and not watching every little detail of the other riders' equitation and the horses' movement. So if you weren't doing that, how would you know, personally? Just saying..
        Sarah A. Ward

        Washington and Lee University Riding

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        • #5
          Umm, good try but.

          How would you know if you think you deserved to win any of your flat classes? You should be focused on yourself and your horse and not watching every little detail of the other riders' equitation and the horses' movement. So if you weren't doing that, how would you know, personally? Just saying..
          Sarah A. Ward

          Washington and Lee University Riding

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          • #6
            Some judges just don't know, especially at the local level where they have to hire one judge to do a million things. I remember going to a Regional 4-H show, and I didn't place at all until my horse won the open jumping class. After that, we won every single class, even the ones *I* knew I shouldn't have done well in. Just shrug it off an be happy with your ride

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skysthelimit4 View Post
              not to sound petty, but has anyone had a show were there was a judge who got it all wrong?
              Just a quick FYI that there is no RIGHT answer in hunterland/eqland/medalland. It is an opinion. And in that judge's opinion, other people rode better than you did in that particular class on that particular day.

              Once I had someone come up and ask why they pinned better at the end of the day. What had changed my mind from earlier in the day? Well, the answer was they stayed the same but everyone else rode worse.

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              • #8
                Not saying this is definitely the case in your case (I wouldn't know either way, but I won't ASSUME you are wrong or scold you for watching your competition, lol), but sometimes a judge is looking for a certain look, esp. if it is a kids class (ie cute Welsh-y ponies w/ tiny kids in ribbons for SS, not 12-yr-olds who look 16 in tall boots on honies, despite the trip), or they know a trainer that frequents the show a lot with a lot of clientele, and their barn always pins high at that particular show. Happens near me constantly at 2 particular show series (1 rated, 1 county). You can either ride their whole series until they notice you, or go elsewhere. No, you shouldn't accept "this is the way it is," so gripe all you want, IMO!

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                • #9
                  Something you could do if you're really trying to see how you compared or what the judge saw that your trainer/other people didn't is to e-mail the show and ask for judges comments from your classes. They might not always write a lot, but anything is better than nothing, and at least you can get an idea of what that particular judge was looking for.
                  You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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                  • #10
                    I ride a Haflinger, alot if not most judges don't even look at us. We are not the tall looking WB or TB. I've been the only one 2 do the course with no major mistakes and placed last. ie the big WB who refused placed higher then me. I actually had the man who owns the stable/ puts on the show come up to me and say "I wish I could find a judge who would not take height into consideration". Another show u could actually judge the class from the final line up not seeing anothing else. 1st place the 17.2hh...2nd 16.3....3rd 16.1 nothing under 16 placed. It was tallest to 16hh. And it was not like there where not very many under 16 either. I'm not saying I should have first place in everything, it would be just nice to be given the chance

                    as far as the How would you know if you should win a flat class? Maybe its just me but has anyone ever ridden in a class and tried so hard and you know that had to be one of the best rounds youve ever done! And at the end you just think that must have got me something

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                    • #11
                      If you show long enough, the classes you should have won, but didn't, will be balanced with the classes you should not have won, but did. At the end of the day it's the actual ride that is important, not the ribbon.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fourmares View Post
                        If you show long enough, the classes you should have won, but didn't, will be balanced with the classes you should not have won, but did. At the end of the day it's the actual ride that is important, not the ribbon.
                        Exactly. If you are happy with your rides, be happy with your rides. Where you placed or where you feel you should have placed doesn't take away from what you accomplished in the ring. If you had a great ride for you be happy with it and move on. Graciously.
                        "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                        • #13
                          I had a judge at the end of a hunter over fences class actually call my kid over to her and tell her that her "tie down" i.e standing martingale was illegal, and that she really should have disqualified the kid for it. She also said only martingales were allowed in jumping classes (she meant running martingales, the kid asked her). This all being said while donning her bright, shiny rodeo trophy belt buckle. Sigh. I told my kid and her parents that stuff like this happens at schooling shows, and that she should be more concerned with the quality of her ride than where she placed.
                          You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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                          • #14
                            this is why I usually avoid our local open shows despite the fact they are local and inexpensive! Poor facilities, lack of normal rules, and judges who don't know or understand the rules.
                            sometimes you win, sometimes you lose!

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                            • #15
                              If your trainer was that concerned about your poor placement, she should've asked the judge why you consistently placed so badly. Matter of fact, *you* could have politely approached the judge yourself in a quiet moment and asked.

                              Sounds like sour grapes to me otherwise.

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                              • #16
                                Hard to take you seriously with no punctuation or spelling...Learn to be a bit more grown up, in both your writing and your attitude. You'll get little to no sympathy here with that attitude and that grammar.
                                Can you stress-fracture your brain?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Sansena View Post
                                  If your trainer was that concerned about your poor placement, she should've asked the judge why you consistently placed so badly. Matter of fact, *you* could have politely approached the judge yourself in a quiet moment and asked.
                                  Are we allowed to approach judges directly? I remember something about having to go through a steward or manager or something, but it could be from a different association...

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                                  • #18
                                    What's up with all the whining lately? I've lost classes that I though I should have won, obviously the judge thought differently.
                                    Some judges will love you, some won't. It's a competition...get over it.

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                                    • #19
                                      Gooodness...we win some and lose some. It is also subjective on both the judge's part, the rider's part and the trainer's part. If you were happy with your performance then be happy....no one has a right to ribbons. There will be days you are a star and leave empty handed. There will be days you get ribbons that you don't derserve. When we get to the great ribbon heaven I am sure it is all in balance. Whining is not attractive on anyone.

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                                      • #20
                                        If you want to play hunters, then this is the mine field you have to cross. Judging is subjective, what one judge likes one week, the next judge will hate the next week. Show one horse to a judge, they will like him or her, show another horse to the same judge and they will hate him/her. Just got through playing the game for two weeks. This is life in the hunter ring.

                                        As a show official once told me after hearing my surprise that I placed...

                                        "You know, we don't always agree with the judge"... how true. Sorry you didn't place. Perhaps next time. Been there, done that.

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