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  • Did I do something to cause this reaction?

    After many years off, I got back into riding about 6 months ago. I had primarily ridden dressage before, but now I'm taking hunter jumper lessons. I bought my horse in Feb.

    Friday, I took him over an X twice and he was good... jumps a little high, but canters nicely away. So, I had hubby put the rail straight and I get dumped after the jump... He was 'flimming' it with our camera, so I won't say more since you can just watch it for yourself. Did I do something to cause the reaction after the jump?? I know I let him rush too much and I wasn't expecting for him to jump that high....

    http://pets.webshots.com/video/30016...05169681pzHYmv

  • #2
    A few things stand out...

    1. He looks off when he is trotting in the video. It is not a lot of footage, so maybe he is not, but he does not look sound at the trot. It could be possible that his reaction after jumping was due to pain.

    2. Does this horse know how to jump? Based just one the 1 jump (again, not a lot of info, but based on what you posted), he does not appear to know how to jump (he thrusted himself over a very small obstacle in a large jump instead of jumping it normally). So, it could also be a "greenie" moment where he is excited after going over the jump.

    3. You said he rushed, but in fact he lacks impulsion. Enough impulsion will make his trick after the fence a little harder to do (provided you keep your leg on, eyes up, and don't let him get his head down between his legs).

    Good luck!

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    • #3
      It looks like a combination of green horse and green rider. It looks like your lower leg isn't as secure as it should be, and you anticipated and leaned up his neck. It's hard to tell whether he thought he should worry because you were tense and jumping up his neck, or he realized he could take advantage of you in a vulnerable position. The most likely scenario though is that you kicked him in the flanks when your leg slid back and it bothered him. Don't be discouraged, but 6 months back isn't the saddle just doesn't seem to be enough time to build up the leg strength and base of support you need to jump. Go back to trot poles and posting trot with no stirrups until your leg is solid enough to let your upper body stay with him without compromising your base of support.

      I would let your trainer jump him so he learns that its all about and stick to working on basics. Then I would start learning to jump on another horse that is going to let you make beginner mistakes without taking advantage.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Equine Adhesive View Post
        A few things stand out...

        1. He looks off when he is trotting in the video. It is not a lot of footage, so maybe he is not, but he does not look sound at the trot. It could be possible that his reaction after jumping was due to pain.
        He doesn't feel like he is off when I ride him and when I see him in the pasture he doesn't apprear off... he does have some old scars from an old barbed wire injury... perhaps it causes him some problems? I think I have a video of him just trotting taken later than I can upload...

        Originally posted by Equine Adhesive View Post
        2. Does this horse know how to jump? Based just one the 1 jump (again, not a lot of info, but based on what you posted), he does not appear to know how to jump (he thrusted himself over a very small obstacle in a large jump instead of jumping it normally). So, it could also be a "greenie" moment where he is excited after going over the jump.
        His previous owner jumped him, so I'd say he does, but then when I bought him I didn't ask her a lot of question concerning jumping since I was just getting back into riding at the time. He jumps Xs in the same manner - it feel like he hurls himself over something tiny.

        Originally posted by Equine Adhesive View Post
        3. You said he rushed, but in fact he lacks impulsion. Enough impulsion will make his trick after the fence a little harder to do (provided you keep your leg on, eyes up, and don't let him get his head down between his legs).
        I guess I felt like he rushed a bit since I let him break into canter before the jump, instead of keeping him at trot.


        joiedevie99, I am pretty green at jumping so he and I should probably just stick with the flat work.

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        • #5
          On the rushing vs. impulsion thing, since you've done dressage before, I'm sure you know that the horse can get quick (propulsion) without having impulsion (actually using their hind end correctly, moving with power). He's getting on his forehand, which makes him *feel* faster/stronger, from what little I can see in the video. Also, when I've jumped before, if the horse gets a little tense in the back and neck, they feel like they're going fast, even if their objective speed (mpm) is very slow.

          Even if he knows how to jump, I'd say he definitely needs a refresher before *you* try to jump him. It's possible he did a little bit with a good rider, several years ago (or wasn't really trained, just hopped over, and they were happy with that). If you're going to jump at this point, you want a horse partner who will pack you around and be forgiving of beginner mistakes. Does your instructor have a school horse who you can take a few jumping lessons on? More flatwork is definitely good, but you'll still be a beginner at *jumping*. The skillset is a bit different. Do you do a lot of 2-point on the flat on your own as well as in lessons?
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          • #6
            Ouch. It is hard to tell from that. If you didn't lose balance and yank him around while trying to save yourself, I'd guess it was an evasion. He probably felt you were not that tight in the saddle and not keeping him in the railway lines with hand and leg. We don't know if he is young, green, fresh, etc. Back to poles on the ground with your trainer I guess!! Grids are the perfect way to help out a rider and horse.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mudder View Post
              After many years off, I got back into riding about 6 months ago. I had primarily ridden dressage before, but now I'm taking hunter jumper lessons. I bought my horse in Feb.

              Friday, I took him over an X twice and he was good... jumps a little high, but canters nicely away. So, I had hubby put the rail straight and I get dumped after the jump... He was 'flimming' it with our camera, so I won't say more since you can just watch it for yourself. Did I do something to cause the reaction after the jump?? I know I let him rush too much and I wasn't expecting for him to jump that high....

              http://pets.webshots.com/video/30016...05169681pzHYmv
              As you go over the "fence" your lower leg slips way back and tickles him in the flank. I think I would react the same way if I was your horse.

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              • #8
                No worries. You just got ahead and maybe bothered him with your leg going too back, although in my opinion it's that mixed with a little freshness (by the way, he seems to have a very nice bounce in him!! congrats!). He had a mean spin there and I think if he ever tries that again (even just once) get a pro to ride him and let him know that that's a no-no! A little freshness like that can turn into a mean vice and just after a jump is when the rider is most vulnerable to spins and direction changes. Try to keep your eyes up, your body staight (almost vertical) when you do your first jumps and use your outside rein to keep him straight if he tries to spin. All this with impulsion, that you will be able to provide because you will be straighter in the saddle and have your seat contact quicker to make him go forward right after the jump. Tighten your legs just before the jump and try to pull your seat in.
                Hope this helps,
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                • #9
                  Along with what everyone else said, I too think that he looks lame. Did you have him vetted when you bought him? He's quite short in the right hind, which I'm sure is being exaggerated by his lacking impulsion, but I would definitely have that checked out.

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                    #10
                    Thanks everyone for the input... after it happened, I thought: Gosh, I should have stuck with Dressage!

                    For those who think he looks off, here is another video that is longer... I apologize for the quality - it looks good on my computer but when I upload it it seems poor quality.

                    http://pets.webshots.com/video/30484...05169681BdcBfP

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                    • #11
                      Yes, he looks short-strided on that right hind in the second video, to me. It doesn't necessarily mean he's in pain per se - there are some horses with chronic conditions who are cleared by the vet to work, and indeed, are sounder *in* light work than not. However, jumping may not be a good idea. One of the horses I ride for free on the weekends has weak stifles, so he can't jump. He's actually fine most of the time, but sometimes is a little creakier than usual. He trailrides a lot, and hillwork is especially good for him, but sometimes he just doesn't track up as much on that left hind. On those days, we walk only, or I put him back up if he doesn't warm up out of it pretty quickly. It's not nearly as obvious as with your horse, though.
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                      • #12
                        Yeah, he's definitely off. It may be something serious, or it may be something as simple as him needing a couple chiropractic adjustments. One of the horses at the barn will get short behind when his pelvis goes out. A vet will be able to give you a better idea of what will help him.

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                        • #13
                          Yea, he looks about 2+ to 3 outta 5 lame. I would like to see a video of him going in the other direction though to confirm.

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                          • #14
                            He doesn't look even but that isn't why you fell off or why he spun around. He just looks fresh and unschooled. He came into the fence looking really fresh and tight.

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                            • #15
                              He isn't forward enough to the fence so on the landing side he stops and bucks (I think you catch him a bit in the face which might not be helping).

                              If he is sound you need to be going forward to your fence so that he jumps across and not up. You also need to be forward on landing. So give him a smooch, put your leg on immedietly, and gallop on. This works if your leg is secure and under you and you have a proper fold that keeps you down in the saddle without jumping ahead.
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                              • #16
                                Is this horse a saddlebred? He looks sore on the left hock to me in the little amount of tape but a horse that can stop dead in his tracks and pulls those antics is probably sound. Frankly he looks lit and not at all broke enough to be jumping. His head is stuck in the air and you are far to loose to ride that horse over jumps.

                                Definitely get a trainer to put the jump on that horse so you dont get hurt....ps, that horse was very good at what he did which makes me think he has a history of this crap

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                                • #17
                                  Sorry you fell off. That horse was no where near ready to jump. Totally not paying attention and definitely looked very fresh to me.

                                  You crawled up his neck about 3 strides before the jump and he just didn't know what to do. The spin was kind of "naughty" to me...

                                  My friends call me a broken record...no jumping until your horse is broke, broke, broke. Lucky you, you have dressage background! Make sure the horse follows directions no matter what on the flat, before you jump anything.

                                  Take your time, get balanced and confident, then have fun.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by donkeyman View Post
                                    Is this horse a saddlebred? He looks sore on the left hock to me in the little amount of tape but a horse that can stop dead in his tracks and pulls those antics is probably sound. Frankly he looks lit and not at all broke enough to be jumping. His head is stuck in the air and you are far to loose to ride that horse over jumps.

                                    Definitely get a trainer to put the jump on that horse so you dont get hurt....ps, that horse was very good at what he did which makes me think he has a history of this crap
                                    My horse was VERY lame and would do all sorts of amazing gymnastics and airs above the ground cause he was on stall rest for months!

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                                    • #19
                                      You can analyze it all you want personally, but I feel like the bottom line is that he wasn't listening to you at ALL coming into the fence. If you're going to do any jumping on your own, incorporate ground poles into your dressage/flatwork but with a horse looking to do something dumb like that, I wouldn't jump without a trainer on the ground so you don't lose your confidence and get lost in a downward spiral of fear/misbehavior. It's pretty easy to start second-guessing your every move over the jump, when what you really need is solid flatwork, an obedient horse, and a smack on the ass for him when he spins around like that. It's a teeny jump. You should be able to have a small seizure over a jump like that and he STILL shouldn't go off like he did. JMHO, take it or leave it.
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                                      • #20
                                        He looks off to me too.

                                        He was very sticky going into that fence. You should've circled him and got him going forward a lot more.

                                        Hope you're not too sore!
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