• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Another saddle thread..sorry

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Another saddle thread..sorry

    I'm not in the H/J loop ... young friend of mine has asked me for advice!

    She needs a second hand saddle and has seen a Pessoa she likes, fits and the price suits her. But a BNT or two have told her she does not have the seat for the Pessoa and needs an Antares, Butet or County.

    I know the saddles are bigger and more padded these days, but is there really such a difference that she would be laughed out of the ring? Any thoughts? She has a really lovely, willing horse, in fact he is the Australian Palomino stallion, part TB stockhorse, part Holsteiner (Coriander) that I mentioned before but he has done aily dressage up to now.
    Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

  • #2
    I guess I'm confused on how an Antares would make her seat different? The judge won't see the brand name of the saddle so what difference does it make?

    I think fit is your most important issue here for the rider and more importantly the horse.


    • Original Poster

      I thought so, too, but is the Pessoa a very flat saddle - like a Crosby Hunterdon or a Crosby Hampton? Those I could see would be less supportive. Or is there a deeper seat in a Pessoa?
      Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique


      • #4
        i would think that by the trainer saying she doesnt have the seat for the pessoa it would be saying shes not strong enough to ride without the deep seat and padding of something like a butet?.....no, she wont get "laughed out of the ring"....its sort of like when people say those who learned to ride in the flat crosbys for example ride better becuase they dont have to depend on the padding....while people now adays do depend on it and dont "have the seat" to ride without it
        Dacharia = best mare in the world



        • #5
          Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
          I thought so, too, but is the Pessoa a very flat saddle - like a Crosby Hunterdon or a Crosby Hampton? Those I could see would be less supportive. Or is there a deeper seat in a Pessoa?
          I'd call Pessoa's middle of the range in terms of padding. They certainly have much more then a Hunterdon but less then an antares or devoucoux from what I've seen. If it fits go for it but beware that the newer pessoa's have a reputation of not holding up at all. I have no experience with them personally, that's just what I've heard. I prefer a no frills saddle personally and favor my Tad Coffin over my Butet (which is also very minimal when compared to the Devoucoux's and Antares). I have no clue what the trainer meant by the rider not having the 'correct seat' for a pessoa, that doesn't make sense to me unless the saddle was so ill fitting it was forcing her to ride in a bad position.
          If they said it for the reasons listed by ADD above then I think it's even MORE important the rider gets a no frills saddle to learn how to RIDE and not be a passenger in an armchair.


          • #6
            Originally posted by WorthTheWait95 View Post
            If they said it for the reasons listed by ADD above then I think it's even MORE important the rider gets a no frills saddle to learn how to RIDE and not be a passenger in an armchair.

            i agree that it would then be more important for her to ride in the no frills saddle....i think this is why we have a lot of the problems we have in the ring today but thats for another thread
            Dacharia = best mare in the world



            • Original Poster

              I think I am with you for the advice given; I too had heard that the new Pessoa's were not as good as the old ones (made by Harry Dabbs in the UK) and then recently made in Argentina. Again, not my world, at all. If the saddle fits her horse, and her, and the price is right I'm sure she can do a lot worse than get the Passoa.

              Thanks for the speedy replies before it gets sold!
              Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique


              • #8
                Originally posted by WorthTheWait95 View Post
                I'd call Pessoa's middle of the range in terms of padding. They certainly have much more then a Hunterdon but less then an antares or devoucoux from what I've seen.
                IME, it depends on the Pessoa. There are a few older Pessoa models that came sans padding - I believe you could order the A/O in the olden days with a plain flap, no rolls or padding. The newer ones I've seen are definitely poofier!

                ETA: Here's what I was talking about with the plain flap Pessoa.


                • #9
                  Yes, buy it

                  I agree with all others that learning to ride without the "benefit" of padding, rolls and a bucket seat is a very good thing, even if it's not the quickest path to an eq perfect position.

                  Pessoas, even the modern ones, are well-designed, well-balanced saddles. So long as the rider's thigh is long enough for the flap, they can do a nice job of helping someone develop a good position. But all saddles will help or hinder depending on their fit, and that can be frustratingly individual for each horse and rider combination, especially early in the rider's career.

                  So I'd say make sure the saddle fits both horse and rider. By they way, the horse's conformation and the rider's budget might play huge roles in dictating the saddle. Butets don't fit every build, nor do those and Anteres often show up for the price you should be paying when you aren't quite sure how to fit horse or rider.

                  Just my $0.02, but if you must buy, learn and possibly lose money while you do, a well-priced Pessoa isn't a bad place to start.
                  The armchair saddler
                  Politically Pro-Cat


                  • #10
                    I have an old flat as a pancake style saddle and while it was good when I was a kid, I realize that I need a little knee roll to get into and a deeper seat. Now its just more a personal preference. My horse seems to prefer it too.