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Thoroughbred Jumper bloodlines anyone???

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  • Thoroughbred Jumper bloodlines anyone???

    Good afternoon everyone!
    I am back on the market for a horse that I can bring along as a show jumper. I was wondering if anyone has noticed that specific bloodlines in the thoroughbreds tend to excel in the show jumping ring more than others... I am looking for something that can do the high A/Os if that helps!
    My mare was an Irish thoroughbred- huge boned- and was super super as a show jumper. She was out of "World Stage"...
    I'm going back and forth between the thoroughbreds and warmbloods... but really like the "attitude" of the thoroughbreds. I'm just a really quiet rider and get along with them really well...
    Otherwise, any luck with WB/TB crosses? I am looking for something that is green or even unbroke to bring along, do 1-2 years of dressage on and then start jumping. I've brought many tbds off the track succesfully too.
    I'm not so much looking for a "cheap horse", but rather one that can hold up with great care
    Open to all opinions here! Thank you very much!!!
    Proudly living in my "let's save the world bubble"!

  • #2
    There are many threads on this in sporthorse breeding. Viney will chime in and give you
    the 'coles notes' of bloodlines. Myself, if I see Turn-to or Buckpasser my eyes pop open.
    Also Irish/French lines are jumpers usually. There are a couple of lines not known for their soundness, also. Jumping is a very heritable quality and a lot of the American lines have gone more for speed and precociousness than anything else.
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    • #3
      Bonne Nuit
      Janet

      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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      • #4
        Some more recent stallions I like:

        Red Ransom
        Cahill Road
        Believe It
        Fappiano (tend to be great movers)
        Academy Award

        What part of the country are you in? That will say a lot about what bloodlines might be available near you.
        Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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        • #5
          Another line I'd chime in for would be Robyn Dancer.

          http://www.pedigreequery.com/robyn+dancer

          Friend has had 3 or 4 I've helped start under saddle and they have all been fabulous movers with really good minds and work ethics.
          *The Quietman ~ Irish Approved Gr.1 Stallion
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          • #6
            Take a look at Coconut Grove. He moved to October Hill Farm pretty recently. We have a 2 yo by him that is turning out very well and will probably event, but CG is very much a showjumper sire.

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              Thanks everyone! Super helpful
              I'm in Florida... waiting impatiently for the race track to be back in October to be able to get one...
              Thanks again for the expertise!! I just got really lucky with my first thoroughbred... not knowing anything about booldlines or anything else...
              So I'm trying to be a tad educated on the subject!
              Proudly living in my "let's save the world bubble"!

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              • #8
                Alydar

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                • #9
                  I don't know much about this, but my TB is all Irish and English on top- Buckpasser, Mill Reef (and thus Never Bend), Red God, etc. He was born to jump, has lots of bone, tidy angles and a great hind end. He also has more stamina than I actually want, most days- and a really deep heartgirth. I bought him for those physical attributes, but when I looked at his lines it made sense- he is built like a big, long distance 'chaser type TB.
                  You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that won't change its shape. Jets to Brazil

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by foursocks View Post
                    I don't know much about this, but my TB is all Irish and English on top- Buckpasser, Mill Reef (and thus Never Bend), Red God, etc. He was born to jump, has lots of bone, tidy angles and a great hind end. He also has more stamina than I actually want, most days- and a really deep heartgirth. I bought him for those physical attributes, but when I looked at his lines it made sense- he is built like a big, long distance 'chaser type TB.
                    THAT'S EXACTLY what I'm looking for
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                    • #11
                      I have a similar experience as foursocks. My TB is out of a Mill Reef mare and I think that is where he gets his talent (top is all Northern Dancer...not known as a great jumping line as far as I can tell). He has nice big feet, good bone, a great canter and a heck of a jump.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sing Mia Song View Post
                        Some more recent stallions I like:

                        Red Ransom
                        Cahill Road
                        Believe It
                        Fappiano (tend to be great movers)
                        Academy Award

                        What part of the country are you in? That will say a lot about what bloodlines might be available near you.
                        I believe Fappiano, besides being Cahill Road's Sire was also the leading eventing sire in the US for almost as many years as he had crops. He is also the sire of Unbridled, and Quiet American, two sires that have produced nice hunter/jumpers/eventer's.

                        I think that Red Ransom's sire Roberto produces very talented hunter/jumpers. There are more than a few out there now doing very well. One that comes to mind is Timely Roberto, a very nice hunter type.

                        Though many disregard anything after 3 generations I still look back for bloodlines like Teddy, Dark Ronald, Marco, Man O War, Blenheim, French Grey, Nearco, Rock Sand, and follow the lines forward through different threads of modern sires. It becomes very clear that these horses were the progenitors.

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                        • #13
                          In previous OTTB threads, I seem to recall seeing a fair bit of Damascus, who hasn't yet been named here. I have a Fappiano/Damascus descendant I adore, but is probably not a GP prospect.

                          On the sport-bred side, I have a Castle Magic son, now retired, who definitely could have jumped the GPs if I had been a better rider -- all the scope in the world, and a great brain to go along with it. Very forgiving amateur-type as well -- he took me from the children's hunters to the junior jumpers and even a few times in the regular working hunters. I know there are at least a few Castle Magics out there who did the GPs. He does look and ride more like a warmblood, though.

                          Mine is still as gorgeous as he was as a youngster. When clinicians come in they always point and ask "why isn't HE doing anything?"

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                          • #14
                            Smile, Fordtractor: at the backhanded compliments. I still remember one of my mentors saying in her gruff way, "Biggest waste of a horse I ever did see". Couldn't decide if she was putting down my riding (probably) or saying my horse was gorgeous (which she was)!
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                            • #15
                              yep, I wish the horse was still doing something! He has ringbone and is pasture sound at best these days.

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                              • #16
                                I go with fappiano as well, here's my 4 year old fathers pedigree, and boy can he jump and is also a ten mover with a great mind

                                http://www.pedigreequery.com/corroborator

                                and mom

                                http://www.pedigreequery.com/esthers+v

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by horserider12 View Post
                                  I go with fappiano as well, here's my 4 year old fathers pedigree, and boy can he jump and is also a ten mover with a great mind

                                  http://www.pedigreequery.com/corroborator

                                  and mom

                                  http://www.pedigreequery.com/esthers+v
                                  My 5-year-old mare doesn't have any Fappiano (or any other Mr. P for that matter) but she does share a lot of the same lines as your horse (Buckpasser, Herbager, Boldnesian, Halo, Prince John). She's also a wonderful mover and has a great temperament, but it's too early to comment on her jump as we haven't done much of that yet but from what I have seen so far she seems to have plenty of scope. I'm hoping she'll make a hunter, so I'm not really expecting her to do anything over 4'. Here's her pedigree:

                                  http://www.pedigreequery.com/mlady+buck

                                  Horserider12, do you have any jumping pictures of your guy?

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                                  • #18
                                    Adding pics of my Castle Magic:
                                    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/12979...53911905oBkbBY

                                    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/12979...53911905vytHLx

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                                    • #19
                                      we have a grandson of Buckpasser, very athletic horse and great temperment. Evented to Intermediate, foxhuntss and now doing A/A jumpers with the ability to do more, ribbons last year in Hunters and Eq as well.

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                                      • #20
                                        he is only baby greening right now, but one day we did a gymnastic up to 3'6". He just cracks his knees as they get higher, I will take some pics next time and put them up. He also hasn't lost a hack yet in 4 shows against very nice horses. We're going to take him to warrenton for the tb classes, you should take yours!

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