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  • Behavior of Grooms at Shows (Rant)

    This past weekend we did the NCHJA Annual Benefit AA Show in Raleigh. Unfortunately we were stabled down the barn from a VERY BNT from Florida. Several of this BNT's trainer's were there and alot of grooms. Every day throughout the day we had to listen to constant yelling in spanish from the grooms, barking at women walking by (yes, barking & no I wasn't barked at)), constant catcalls, especially when an attractive teen walked by, and generally loud behavior. My daughter knows some spanish and said the grooms were making very explicit passes and remarks about body parts. We heard their clients yell at them several times in spanish to shut up but they never did. We know of at least one mom stabled across who went down to complain when there were trainers seated there witnessing and hearing everything, yet nothing was done about it. We considered complaining to the steward but since it wasn't involving a ring or class or competitor we were not quite sure what to do. I have been going to shows for many years and have never witnessed such behavior before. We don't think the grooms spoke english since the clients yelled at them to shut up in spanish.

    Anyone have any suggestions? With all the increased awareness in professionalism you would hope that would carry over to employees as well. If the grooms behaved that badly at shows and were not called down, I can only imagine what it would be like to be in their barn. I realize a BNT is a BNT, but that would have been enough for me.

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    I don't think that behavior is acceptable in anyone's barn, BNT or not. I would have complained to both the BNT and the show management.

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    • #3
      I'm amazed ANY decent trainer would tolerate this. It reflects poorly on the entire operation.

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      • #4
        That would have made me really mad, that is terrible that you had to go through that. Our grooms would NEVER behave like that, it just would not be tolerated. I wonder what BNT it was, i'm in florida and very curious as to what barn has grooms like that.

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          #5
          For clarification, the BNT himself was not there, his daughter and several other trainers from his barn were. A complaint was made by someone else to one of his trainers who was sitting there witnessing the behavior. If the trainer said anything to the grooms, nothing changed.

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          • #6
            You need to bring this to the attention of the grooms' immediate supervisor-the trainer under whom they were working.

            This behavior is simply not tolerated BUT the employer needs to know about it.

            Admit I am a little surprised, almost never see this type thing. Certainly a small minority of grooms stupid enough to act this way-and they get their butts fired pronto if they are caught doing it.

            No way the head BNT trainer who sent this string out who well knows how many young girls and ladies make up the core client base can afford this type conduct from his/her road team.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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            • #7
              Unacceptable - Should Not be Tolerated !

              Simply unacceptable!!! regardless if BNT was present or his staff traniners -- BNT needs to be informed of behavior and that his assistant trainers were made aware of this and it continued to be a problem.. I would also inform steward and or the officer/ security or police on the premises. This type of behavior can easily escalate if not stopped NOW!!! This is NOT a small incident nor be taken lightly.IMHO
              Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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              • #8
                Sounds like the entire operation (grooms, trainers, and clients) is an appalling piece of work.

                My advice: don't walk by them, keep your daughter away from them, and ignore them. Then make a mental note of the barn and resolve never to send any business that way.

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                • #9
                  Easy fix...

                  Identify the name of the BNT, and the wonderful world of the web board will embarrass them.

                  Seriously, get some gumption and just say who it was. Problem solved.

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                  • #10
                    Hmmm...I have an educated guess as to which barn this is, seeing as how I've witnessed such behavior myself. It's disgusting, disrespectful, and obnoxious. Sexual harrassment should not be tolerated. Ugh.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Huntrs+eq View Post
                      Hmmm...I have an educated guess as to which barn this is, seeing as how I've witnessed such behavior myself. It's disgusting, disrespectful, and obnoxious. Sexual harrassment should not be tolerated. Ugh.
                      So just exactly how big a name is this "very big name" BNT? Often say there are only about 25 or so that really deserve the title. So are we talking HOTY(national, not zone), WEF circuit champion, Indoor Champion, Medal winners (National)? Or a kinda sorta regional BNT whose name would not be familiar to all?

                      Really, have been around many of the above defined genuine BNT barns and they'd not tolerate this. It's a business killer that could lead to lawsuits and drive parents of the very girls that buy the horses and go show them right out the gate.
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                        [edit] would be the biggest Florida trainer there, except I thought I saw him? He is very supportive of the NCHJA show. I am drawing a blank on other Florida trainers there although I am sure there were some.
                        Last edited by Moderator 1; Jul. 1, 2009, 08:24 AM.
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                        • #13
                          I'm amazed that they would have clients. My daughter and her 3 ponies would find a new barn and trainer before we would tolerate grooms that behave like that.

                          Sorry you had to put up with it. If it happened to my daughter or one of the girls from our barn, the grooms would be having a face to face with me.

                          Funny thing is, we have great grooms and the other barns our girls hang with have great grooms. They are usually all foot jumping together at the end of the day. So funny, to see little girls jumping higher than the grooms.

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                            Midge you hit the nail on the head. I did not know he was there himself.

                            Show was last week so it's over with now. It's just the first time we have EVER encountered behavior like that.


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                            • #15
                              With all the I.D. speculation we're getting rather far from the original question, which I do find interesting: Assuming the trainer is unresponsive, what should be the next step?

                              I guess what I would do would be have a word with show management next, and if THAT failed and I were mad enough, I'd probably flat-out call the police.
                              "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                              • #16
                                I have seen the behavior the OP is referring to. Certain grooms from barns at horse shows I steer clear of. I don't appreciate the lewd comments (I do understand enough Spanish) or leering stares, especially if it's later in the day & they break out the cervezas. I am not a teen by any means & it makes me uncomfortable although I notice it's not happening as much as I age.

                                The only advice I can give is to steer clear & you can try speaking with the barn trainer (although as the OP saw nothing changed & if anything I would worry about becoming more of a target). Another step would be a chat with the show management & a request to never be stabled by that barn again.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Midge View Post
                                  [edit] would be the biggest Florida trainer there, except I thought I saw him? He is very supportive of the NCHJA show. I am drawing a blank on other Florida trainers there although I am sure there were some.
                                  Does he qualify as BNT in your book, findeight? I'm not in NC, but that's who I assumed it was.
                                  Last edited by Moderator 1; Jul. 1, 2009, 08:24 AM.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Midge View Post
                                    [edit] would be the biggest Florida trainer there, except I thought I saw him? He is very supportive of the NCHJA show. I am drawing a blank on other Florida trainers there although I am sure there were some.

                                    Cannot imagine he would tolerate this crap or his clients would stay if they had to subject their daughters to that kind of environment, not judging by what I have seen over the years. But, yeah, he would be one of the BNTs on my list.

                                    Honestly, been stabled across from him or visited his barn looking for sale horses with friends at shows and never saw anything like this. Of course he was there.
                                    Last edited by Moderator 1; Jul. 1, 2009, 08:25 AM.
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    • #19
                                      Does it really matter exactly who the trainer was? The behavior as described was unacceptable from anyone, famous or not.

                                      If I could ignore the behavior, I would.

                                      If I couldn't ignore it, I would go complain to the barn manager and most senior of the barn's trainers present.

                                      If that didn't help, I would complain to the show manager, and explain that I would not be able to attend his/her shows in the future if this behavior is tolerated.

                                      I would also track down the head trainer and let him know what happened when his back was turned, and how badly it reflected on him and his entire operation.

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                                        #20
                                        So I take by your post Hunters + Eq. that you have seen this behavior by his barn before? I was hoping it was an isolated event. So sad. My opinion of him took a nose dive and I don't even know him.

                                        We were generally disappointed this year anyway with the way the Annual was run, schedule, disorganization at rings, mayhem in the warm-up ring with all the trainers giving kids in chaps lessons while competitors trying to warm up for jumpers, the disappointing derby, no grand prix, no NCHJA t-shirts, having to pay for parties, the jumpers all in ring 3 even for the classics, etc. I could go on. This was just one more thing on the list.

                                        All I know is if the schedule is the same next year and the same show company running it, we will not be giong.

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