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Anyone have a wintec/bates gullet gauge they'd like to be rid of?

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  • Anyone have a wintec/bates gullet gauge they'd like to be rid of?

    I got a Bates saddle on trial and am in need of one of those gullet gauges to figure out which gullet would suite my horse best. They sent it with a medium gullet which is too narrow, that much I'm sure. The panel shape seems like a perfect compliment to his back, which makes me happy, I just need to adjust the front. Anyway, the company I got the saddle from only sends the saddle with one gullet (I guess they've had the kits stolen a few times so they no longer send the full kit out. This I was not aware of and didn't find out until I got the saddle today, lol).

    Anyway, does anyone have one that I could possibly purchase? I checked ebay, but that was a no-go and sold seperately they are quite expensive. I would happily borrow one if you didn't want to part with it and pay for shipping both ways. No one in my area has a Bates or Wintec, so I'm at a loss here. Buying them new is outrageously expensive too!


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    Sent you a PM
    The armchair saddler
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    • Original Poster

      Originally posted by mvp View Post
      Sent you a PM

      Yay! Thanks! =)


      • #4
        Um, just go to your local office supply or art supply store and buy a flexicurve instead. It'll cost you all of $10-$12. Take a wither tracing of your horse's back 3" behind the scapula (same spot where you'd use the Gullet Gauge), thenlay the tracing flat on a table, and compare it to the gullets until you find the one that won't interfere with any point on the wither tracing.

        That's not only cheaper, but probably more accurate too. I've seen more than a few idiots use the gullet gauge without realizing that their horse was slightly lopsided or bulgy on one side, which might cause the gullet gauge to read, say, medium wide. But in reality, they needed the wide gullet because the one side of the horse was particularly bulgy and the medium wide gullet was cutting into the horse on that side (so corrective padding + the wide gullet was a better solution). That becomes obvious with a flexicurve but is not obvious with the gullet gauge.
        Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/


        • #5
          How to use Bates gullet plates

          I find the best way is to place the naked gullet plates directly on your horse's back in that correct position.

          How do you find that? You can mess with your fingers and scapula, but if you have a Bates near anyway, put it on you horse, note where the nailheads fall (behind the scapula, withers or some other anatomical land mark) and then put the gullet plate there. I think it should be pretty vertical, not sloping forward or back.

          Even better: With the saddle on you horse in the right position, lift up the flap and look for the pocket of leather that holds the tree points. That is where the gullet plate actually lies on your horse's back. It's angle should match your horse's shape at that point.

          If you use the gauge remember that its has marks on it, showing the flat *section* of the arms that should rest against your horse's back to give you the reading.

          Hope this helps everyone. If the panels are the right shape and "texture" or density for your horse, if the tree has about the right curve, front to back, this innovation is a fine, fine thing.
          The armchair saddler
          Politically Pro-Cat


          • #6
            I have found that using the plates themselves is as good as, or better, than the gauge. However, I don't think the OP has the set of plates either. If you get your hands on a gauge, just make sure it is centered over the horse's back, and that the flat part of the arm is flat on your horse's back. If you're not certain, err on the large side.

            I don't think the plates automatically come with the saddle, the set has to be bought separately, though a set is often included with a saddle purchase as a freebee. Anyhow, borrowing a gauge and having to buy one or two single plates is probably the cheapest way to go.

            Has anyone ever taken one of the narrow plates and had a metal worker, like maybe a farrier, heat it up and spread it to match a wider plate? I have at least two sets of gullet plates, have lost a couple of wider ones with saddles I've sold and have never owned a horse that takes smaller than a blue plate. Hence, I'm short on reds and whites and have an excess of greens and yellows and, of course, each saddle comes with a black, so I have plenty of those.
            "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

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