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  • Kicking out in the U/S classes

    I have a gelding who is pretty fancy over fences and does well at the shows. He's a pretty nice mover on the flat as well, but he likes his space - so much that if another horse gets too close to him in an u/s class, he most likely will kick out...most often at the canter. He's not a vicious horse at all and never kicks any other time. He actually is very sweet... but he really just doesn't like another horse near him in a u/s class. If/when he does kick out, he usually becomes a little bit of a bully/freight train.
    It's annoying because he is such a nice horse.
    Suggestions? Advice? He's an Appendix, so flashbacks of the track are not part of the problem.

  • #2
    Not sure if it will help, but if you tie a red ribbon in his tail, people will usually steer clear of the rear!
    "A horse is an Angel without wings"

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    • #3
      What about trying to keep him super flexed and on the bit? I know this is not correct for an under saddle class, but sometimes if you ride the horse really into the bit and capture every ounce of their attention you might be able to advert the kicking out enough that you could enter some schooling show under saddles and school him this way until he gives up on the behavior. If he is being good while on the bit, then you slowly let him up into a nice hunter self-carriage, but the minute he tries to kick at somebody you sit into him and ride him forward into the contact. Like a dressage horse. With all his focus on you and not on the other horses around him. Just an idea...it's hard to say without seeing the behavior in person.
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      • #4
        Suggestion.. Dont hack.

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        • #5
          Do what we do in the hunt field. Get a group together (a lesson or whatever) and have a pretend hack. Set him up and make sure everybody in the group is aware of what you are doing. ie no greenies or babies.
          When he acts out wallop him a couple of good ones, enough that he thinks the devil himself landed on his head, then act like nothing happened and carry on.
          Repeat as needed.
          You probably will only have to set him up once or twice before he gets it.
          "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

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          • #6
            You have to pay extra attention to where you are in traffic. Make every effort to find a good place on the rail and stay out of the group.

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            • #7
              No advice besides what you've already heard, but your statement about him being an appendix and therefore not racing is incorrect. I mean, perhaps he didn't race, but it is not because he is an appendix. Horses registered in the appendix of the AQHA can fully particpate in the quarter horse racing world

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              • #8
                I've had experience with horses doing this out of green-ness. Getting them into a bunch of hack-type situations, even if it means riding in a ring with a bunch of other people at home, usually has fixed it for me. Of course, you have to be SUPER conscious of where everyone else is so nobody gets hurt. I think maybe once they get used to it and it isn't a "weeeee, we're all running together!!!" - the ones I have had seem to get over it. Good luck.
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                • #9
                  My young one had a habit of doing this.
                  I found riding with other horses to be very helpful. At first he was a little stressed, riding with a a lot horses around him. Little by little, he has become more relaxed and accepting of horses passing him.
                  IMO, the more you ride him with other horses the less it will bother him.

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                  • #10
                    does he do that in company at home?..... i know you said he never does it any other time, but did that refer to any other time at shows or any other time in a group, anywhere?

                    i got kicked in the kneecap in a show once. the rider swore the horse never did it , and then i heard her trainer bawling her out for not putting the red ribbon in its tail when she came out of the ring.

                    in today's litigious climate i would not go in a flat class until i had this well under control. it is not right to endanger other horses and riders if your horse "connects" one day.

                    i ended up showing at MSG that year while on crutches

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                    • #11
                      I have always used Jaegermonster's method, with the addition of "and when he goes around politely, pet him and tell him he was good!" Have dealt with this problem with OTTBs especially - I know yours is not one, but have seen the behavior several times. Hopefully you can get it under control - good luck!
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                        Thanks for the suggestions. I think not hacking is not going to solve the problem - he has to get over it, not avoid it.

                        Fair Judy - no, he doesn't do it at home. He pins ears and swishes his tail, but that's it. We've actually lessoned several times with another horse on his tail, so-to-speak - then we halt and let the other horse pass very closely. He's fine every time. Again, he may pin his ears, but he never kicks out.

                        At the shows, it's usually only at the canter.

                        And yes, I pay attention to my spacing. I am an Adult with common sense and do my best to stay away from others in the ring.

                        ImJumpin - he has never raced.

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