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Jumpers - Walking Horse Up to Fences Before Whistle?

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  • Jumpers - Walking Horse Up to Fences Before Whistle?

    Under USEF/other national rules, is it legal for a competitor to walk his or her horse up to jumps on course, allow the horse to see, and perhaps sniff the fence and flowers, do this several times at several fences, then, after the whistle blows, cross the start line then proceed to the first fence?

    If it is legal, is doing this in "poor form" or "poor sportsmanship?"

  • #2
    i don't believe it's legal, but people usually aren't penalized for it

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    • #3
      If you watch any of the grand prix's on tv, (when they actually show them) you'll see them walking around the arena letting the horses see the jumps, but usually it's pretty inconspicuous. I would think it's legal, but I wouldn't take a long time letting them see each jump. There are sometimes warm-ups allowed in the competition ring over those jumps, but that just might be at the lower levels.
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      Originally posted by MHM
      GM quote of the day, regarding the correct way to do things:
      "There's correct, and then there's correct. If you're almost correct, that means you're wrong."

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      • #4
        for jumpers it doesnt matter, but for eq / medals i usually do it descretely. like, walk them next to the fence while bending their head a little bit twords it, just so that they can get a peek at it.

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        • #5
          You are allowed to walk around before the whistle blows, and if you want to discretely let your horsie sniff a fence or two, so be it. However, it would generally be frowned upon to stop in front of a particularly 'suspicious' fence for a prolonged period of time--the moral of the story is, if you are going to do it, go ahead and do it...but don't take all day.

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          • #6
            Why do people keep saying whsat they THINK is legal instead of just looking it up?
            Janet

            chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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            • #7
              It's legal in the jumper division.

              From the time the whistle or tone sounds, you have 45 seconds to cross through the timers, and you can do whatever you want in those 45 seconds. If you don't cross the start in that time, the clock starts running without you, increasing your odds of time faults.

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              • #8
                It used to be illegal to show your horse a fence in the jumpers. The rule was removed a few years ago so now it is ok. I don't personally think that it is bad form.

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                • #9
                  Legal, often done, and not frowned upon. People riding Grand Prix and in the Olympics do it all the time.
                  http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Janet View Post
                    Why do people keep saying whsat they THINK is legal instead of just looking it up?
                    I am glad I am not the only one who wonders this.

                    The rule book is online folks... feel free: http://www.usef.org/contentpage2.aspx?id=rulebook
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                    • #11
                      Not illegal in the jumpers at all. They can look and sniff and even touch (if you have time and do not alter the jump in any way).

                      "Addressing a jump" is, however, now expressly listed as a major fault in the hunters (HU135.2.f).
                      "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                      • #12
                        Not illegal under FEI rules.

                        I have a mare that likes to LICK the scary fences before the bell rings!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Portia View Post
                          Not illegal in the jumpers at all. They can look and sniff and even touch (if you have time and do not alter the jump in any way).

                          "Addressing a jump" is, however, now expressly listed as a major fault in the hunters (HU135.2.f).
                          Kind of funny that they stuck the clause in about "not altering the jump in any way". I have this image of, say, Beezie Madden dismounting and removing a top rail, then hopping back on in time for the whistle! Or yanking some flowers out or something.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mara View Post
                            Kind of funny that they stuck the clause in about "not altering the jump in any way". I have this image of, say, Beezie Madden dismounting and removing a top rail, then hopping back on in time for the whistle! Or yanking some flowers out or something.
                            I can think of a couple of people who might try something like that, but I don't think Beezie would be among them.

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                            • #15
                              Totally legal, totally acceptable. Nothing "unsportsman-like" about it.
                              http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557433725gtOAuC

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                              • #16
                                Not illegal. Very common to do.
                                www.justworldinternational.org

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                                • #17
                                  agreeing with many. it is legal, however back in 2005ish i think it may have been illegal? (thats whaty someone said).
                                  if theres a scary jump, i do it, friends have done it, olympic riders do it. its very acceptable in the jumpers

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                                    I am glad I am not the only one who wonders this.

                                    The rule book is online folks... feel free: http://www.usef.org/contentpage2.aspx?id=rulebook
                                    Okay, it is probably just me, but I just read the entire jumper division rules, and can't find anything addressing this issue. Can anyone please tell me what page it is on? We had an issue with this problem at a schooling show last summer, and couldn't convince the judge that the rule had been changed. And she was a rated show judge.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by hr View Post
                                      Okay, it is probably just me, but I just read the entire jumper division rules, and can't find anything addressing this issue. Can anyone please tell me what page it is on? We had an issue with this problem at a schooling show last summer, and couldn't convince the judge that the rule had been changed. And she was a rated show judge.
                                      That is the point. They TOOK OUT the text that make it illegal.

                                      Since there is no text saying that it is illegal, it is now legal.

                                      If your judge is still unconvinced, she (or you) should call USEF for clarification.
                                      Janet

                                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                      • #20
                                        Legal or not, I think it's stupid.

                                        It's like saying, "Here horsey. This is what you need to be afraid of."

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