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  • Handling conflicts at a show?

    We got stuck in the rain today waiting for an hour for 1 person to finish the class. There were only 7 in the entire division so could have been finished and home in the time it took for one person to come and ride.

    There was no announcement about holding the ring. We just figured that the judge was taking a while to pin. D'oh.

    Then when the rider finally was finished in the other ring - she proceeded to TACK UP and WARM UP her other horse.

    The horse show manager's perspective was that it was a horse show so waiting should be expected. But an hour in the rain? Perhaps it wasn't a big deal for their riders since they could stand in the barn, but for the rest of us, it was a mite unpleasant.

    What is the best way to handle ring conflicts? Do horse show managers ever say enough is enough and send the rounds through? What about riders with many horses? How do you handle it?

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    All the shows i've been to you have 2 minutes to get your butt in the arena, otherwise they move on. you may get bumped to the last on the list but if the last rider goes and you are still mia, you are sh*t outa luck.

    was this some mom and pop schooling show or something?
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    • #3
      Well as a rider there are not many ways for you to handle it other than just voicing your concerns.

      At the shows I've been to, if you're not at the gate within a reasonable amount of time when being called, they move on.
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      u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

      we see u in gp ring in no time.

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      • #4
        At our last local show we waited a good hour for short stirrup to finish. We too thought the judge was taking her time to pin, but then at the end of the hour waiting, a kid shows up. She hadn't done any of her trips because she was waiting for her trainer to come watch. I can understand, somewhat. But then she goes in and does one trip, comes out and waits around for five minutes before going back in. We actually timed her 4-6 minutes in between each trip! With four trips, that's a massive amount of wasted time on one kid. Plus, we too were waiting in the rain. The only thing the ring guys/announcers could do was just keep yelling at the trainer. I think if you're going to have ring conflicts, the best thing is to try to be the FIRST one in the ring, rather than thinking you can come back at the end.
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          #5
          This was a rated show.

          I know we have talked about the 2 minute rule (or reasonable wait time) in our area before but it has never come to be because people are concerned that riders would boycott the show. For those who have the rule in place, what happens when the rider finds out they have missed their turn? Do people get the message and get in line, or does attendance at the shows suffer?

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          • #6
            The last rated show we did, they were trying to avoid this problem. They told trainers at the beginning their riders had to be posted by a specific time, and they would not hold it.

            IMO - Just because they have riders in more than one ring, doesn't mean they're more important than I am. I appreciate the show management that won't let them hold it open for long times. I have been the rider at the "other ring" and have gone without my trainer there, even, because I think it is rude.
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            • #7
              I've has similar experiences.
              At a bigger show i went to last summer, my equitation flat class was help up for 45 minutes by a girl riding with a BNT that was ALWAYS at this show, and so we waited. My horse went nuts not doing anything for that long and we didn't place.
              That wasn't a good day at our barn
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              • #8
                I can understand waiting for a trainer, but not for an eq on the flat. I have seen them wait a few minutes, but not for a long time for a flat. I guess that is what happens when you have a trainer that is spread very thinly between the rings. Unfortunately for the individual riders with one horse and or a trainer that isn't there with many horses, we play second fiddle compared with the farms that bring a lot of horses. That is when it is nice if you are at a farm that is large enough to have an asst. trainer, etc. It also makes a difference if it is a younger child just beginning to show or an older adult that may have confidence issues, etc. Some trainers will get really mad at the clients if they go and they aren't there. I know the dressage shows have more "exact" times to go and that is nice. I like it when the orders of go are posted the day before or early in the morning and the orders are enforced, unless you want to go early. It seems that if more shows enforced this, the trainers could figure out which groups they wanted to go when and put them in appropriately. We are like you in that going first helps to prevent a lot of "standing around." Sometimes it is hard to hear announcements in the barn as well. I think it is up to the riders and their farms to know what is going on at the rings, but that isn't always the case either. The thing that makes me the maddest about waiting is when you have someone just talking with someone else and holding up the rings. At some of the larger shows, there are some individuals that habitually hold up the rings. The shows want them to come as they are a good source of revenue, so they don't say anything to them. It also seems like someone should be helping the child or whoever has a lot of horses there get them warmed up for the class, so that the rider is able to jump some schooling jumps and go in. The other option for that is to spread their entries out during the class if it is a large class. Sometimes that isn't possible due to trainer conflicts either. It seems like there could be a good "middle ground."

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                • #9
                  the ingate is key!!

                  If you have a knowledgable ingate person they should be able to handle most conflicts and sort things out. putting up the order of go long before the class starts is key, if people aren't responsible enough to look ahead then that's they're fault and they should be skipped over, any conflicts should be declared at the start not half way through the class. Also I find the biggest thing is just keep the ring moving. it doesn't matter if you don't have your horses go in in the perfect order you put up, just get a horse in the ring.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Against all Odds View Post
                    the ingate is key!!

                    If you have a knowledgable ingate person they should be able to handle most conflicts and sort things out. putting up the order of go long before the class starts is key, if people aren't responsible enough to look ahead then that's they're fault and they should be skipped over, any conflicts should be declared at the start not half way through the class. Also I find the biggest thing is just keep the ring moving. it doesn't matter if you don't have your horses go in in the perfect order you put up, just get a horse in the ring.
                    Ditto this. A great ingate person is key to getting horses in the ring and the classes moving. Next time, talk to the ingate person or the secretary.
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                    • #11
                      When you have multiple rings and riders/trainers having multiple conflicts, sometimes you just have to wait. I don't know where you draw the line...most of the delays are legitimate, in my opinion.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by IsolaBella09 View Post
                        Ditto this. A great ingate person is key to getting horses in the ring and the classes moving. Next time, talk to the ingate person or the secretary.
                        I would talk to the manager or the steward. Sometimes the in gate starter is only following what management has told them to do.

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                        • #13
                          Explain why the delay is legitimate, especially a delay that long. Why can't someone go in without their trainer?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                            Explain why the delay is legitimate, especially a delay that long. Why can't someone go in without their trainer?
                            If riders are paying their trainer for coaching at the show, they are going to want their trainer to be there to watch their rounds. That way they can discuss afterwards what went wrong, what went right, etc. However, for the hack or an eq. on the flat, I think most people would be perfectly fine going in without their trainer.

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                              #15
                              I understand delays and ring conflicts and paying the trainer to watch your rounds. However, my hope always is that the show is doing their BEST to keep the show running and MINIMIZE these types of delays.

                              When the show manager, rather than apologize about her student being the cause of the hour delay in the rain, basically peeved - well, what do you expect, it's a horse show - that was aggravating.

                              ETA: Thanks for listening and for reminding me this is a general problem all over. Sigh - my rantiness is over now. It is a beautiful day outside and yesterday is over with no ill effects. Plus my tack is all now super clean because I had to get all the mud off it. Have a great week-end everyone!!

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                              • #16
                                If riders are paying their trainer for coaching at the show, they are going to want their trainer to be there to watch their rounds. That way they can discuss afterwards what went wrong, what went right, etc. However, for the hack or an eq. on the flat, I think most people would be perfectly fine going in without their trainer
                                Frankly, that's the trainer's problem, not the horse show's problem.

                                The horse show shouldn't make everyone else wait around so that X competitor can discuss their round and have a learning experience. That's completely entitled behavior, but yes, it happens all the time. However, in the case of all but the smallest schooling shows - it's a competition not a lesson.

                                I try to attend shows where I know the gate person is relatively efficient. As it is, nothing makes for a longer day than most hunter shows, even if I am enjoying myself. And yes, if the ring was held up for an hour for one competitor, I'd absolutely complain.
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                                • #17
                                  At the first show of the season this year we had to wait an hour for one person to go in the first of two 4' jumper classes. So we all did our rounds and then had to sit around (we kept hearing "10 minutes, 10 minutes") waiting for her to go before they could reset the course for the second class.

                                  She was riding a horse in a hunter class in one of the other rings. THIRTY MINUTES after we saw her walk her horse back to the barn she sauntered up on her jumper. She then proceeded to do a full dressage warmup (a good twenty minutes of lateral work, trot poles, and lots of circles), followed by another ten minutes of jumping. She had a kid helping her who looked really embarrassed to be stuck in the middle of it all.

                                  On the one hand I had to admire the fact that she was so unperturbed by the angry glances (and words) from the fifteen riders and their trainers waiting for her that she was able to do what she felt her horse needed before going into the ring. On the other, it was one of the most frustrating things I've ever watched. The back gate guy put down his foot after that and said if you were more than 5 minutes late to the ring (with the exception, of course, of legitimate conflicts) you were out of the class. It was ridiculous that we all had to warm our horses up a second time because of ONE PERSON.

                                  It just makes me hugely appreciate the shows that put the schedule up at the back gate and stick to it!

                                  I guess at least we were inside and not in the rain
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                                  • #18
                                    I have been to several different shows of various levels that have handled it differently. At garden state, on sunday it was raining, and there were several children's ponies (lrgs) that werent at the ring when they shouldve been. I don't know if they made it in time or not, but they announced it several times on the PA and said if these ponies arent here by X time we're moving on.

                                    At a local finals show, the outdoor ring was held up for an hour or so because there was a conflict with the indoor ring. What bugged me is right off the bat once there was five or so minutes of the ring being held up, they announced to PLEASE MAKE THE OUTDOOR RING YOUR PRIORITY. EVEN IF THE INDOOR IS HELD UP, IT WILL STILL FINISH HOURS BEFORE THE OUTDOOR. PLEASE ALL TRAINERS MAKE THE OUTDOOR RING THE PRIORITY. .. so clearly some rude trainer with a kid in the indoor held up the outdoor ring for an hour, even after all these announcements. *eyes roll* the nerve! At the same show, some horses and ponies just werent at the ingate when they shouldve been, even with the indoor ring finished up. Steward announced that if they didnt get another pony in the ring in two minutes, she's closing the gate and moving to the next division.

                                    My trainer is very good about handling these things. He makes sure that he never holds up a ring. If someone's got a course walk, they obviously have to be priority, because if you miss the walk then you miss the walk. Then someone else might have a hack. Then if I already hacked, and ive just got jumping classes, i'll come after the others, because this is obviously going to be the situation of a very large show, and he will make sure he puts me at a spot in the line up where I can make it to the ring when i'm supposed to.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by mep0726 View Post
                                      If riders are paying their trainer for coaching at the show, they are going to want their trainer to be there to watch their rounds. That way they can discuss afterwards what went wrong, what went right, etc. However, for the hack or an eq. on the flat, I think most people would be perfectly fine going in without their trainer.

                                      That should be the *trainer's* problem, not every other competitor in the class.

                                      If the trainer is spread that thin, they should be pulling in enough $$ to hire help. Otherwiae, they ought to bring only as many horses and riders as they can handle single-handedly.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                        Explain why the delay is legitimate, especially a delay that long. Why can't someone go in without their trainer?
                                        Originally posted by mep0726 View Post
                                        If riders are paying their trainer for coaching at the show, they are going to want their trainer to be there to watch their rounds. That way they can discuss afterwards what went wrong, what went right, etc. However, for the hack or an eq. on the flat, I think most people would be perfectly fine going in without their trainer.

                                        Can someone explain why you feel the need for all the hand holding and why everyone else isn't up at the office having a b**h fest everytime a class is held up for one of these prima donnas who is afraid to go in the ring without someone watching? This would drive me insane!

                                        When we were kids we were sometimes just dumped off at the show and picked up at the end of the day by our trainer. Granted this was in the dark ages but I guess his reasoning was if you were ready to show you were ready to get yourself around the course. Certainly taught us all to be independent thinkers. I can't remember anyone tolerating behavior like this back then.

                                        Years ago I also used to work at a local show series and we certainly didn't hold up the show for anyone, LBNT or not. I also can't recall anyone ever asking me to hold the gate so they could watch someone in another ring and then come up to mine.

                                        Threads like this make me so glad my daughter made the switch to eventing. Having a time and sticking to it is lovely.

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