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Spinoff: "I do this and it's never affected my placings!"

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  • Spinoff: "I do this and it's never affected my placings!"

    This is a spin-off from the hunter hair thread, in which a couple people posted something I've seen multiple times on this board.

    "I [have black tack, use a Kimberwicke, don't braid the tail, don't do hunter hair, etc] and it's never made a difference in how the judge pinned me."

    So...how do you know this? Seeing as this is a subjective sport, and you are judged in comparison to other competitors, I can't imagine that people are watching every round and are always satisfied with where they wound up in the ribbons.

    I know as a (very local level) judge, I don't care about brands or colors of clothes. I want to see neat, well-fitting, safe. But I'll admit that turnout or the severity of the bit in the mouth has been a tiebreaker on numerous occasions. I've never had anyone ask me why they got the ribbon they did (or didn't).

    Discuss.
    Last edited by Sing Mia Song; May. 15, 2009, 03:08 PM.
    Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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    I would imagine that it depends on the level of show you are at.

    I would guess that at the local level (think city/county level) the judge shouldn't care too much about turn out since most of the folks wont be turned out all that well, so it's not really fair to judge then on equipment and clothing.

    At the state level, I'd expect that it would start to affect your placings in the eq and hunter rings since untidy hair, ill fitting cloths and black tack would be out of place.

    At the National (A & AA) level hunter and eq divisions you definitely need to present the "picture". Even in the books by GM and Anne K and others they specifically talk about turn out and how it can affect you in your placings in these divisions.
    Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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    • #3
      I once wore a non-white shirt in a Medal qualifier.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
        I once wore a non-white shirt in a Medal qualifier.
        but how did you do? Did you qualify? What color was it? Was it some super pale color and I wouldn't have been able to tell from the stands?
        Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
          but how did you do? Did you qualify? What color was it? Was it some super pale color and I wouldn't have been able to tell from the stands?
          It was a medium dark bluish-turquoise, I was 2nd of 4 (exactly where I should have been placed)..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
            I would imagine that it depends on the level of show you are at.
            Exactly. I've shown in half chaps, Ariat Terrain boots and a polo. It's never affected my placings. 'Course that was at very small schooling shows where a lot of time staying on, getting diagonals, leads and over all the jumps is enough to get you a decent ribbon.

            It's like my pet peeve of people selling a horse saying 'always in the ribbons' when those ribbons were at tiny local schooling shows. It's intentionally misleading at worst, a half truth at best. I suppose some people honestly don't realize the difference...but that surprises me.

            Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
            I once wore a non-white shirt in a Medal qualifier.
            Hehee. I placed in a Medal Final with a simple change. I was 5th out of 6. 6th place had a refusal.
            Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
            Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
              I once wore a non-white shirt in a Medal qualifier.
              You are a REBEL!

              I quit doing "hunter hair" a few years ago after being a die hard follower. I do the pony tail & flip it now. My GPA fits better honestly. And I show in the adult eq & jumpers.

              (I feel like it's confession time )
              "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Giddy-up View Post
                I do the pony tail & flip it now.
                (I feel like it's confession time )
                But that's how I do hunter hair. Have I been doing hunter hair wrong all these years?
                Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RugBug View Post
                  But that's how I do hunter hair. Have I been doing hunter hair wrong all these years?
                  Oh my god! Me too!
                  Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
                    Oh my god! Me too!
                    We all know you're a jumper heathen. But me? HP extra-ordinaire? I'm aghasted.
                    Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                    Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                    • #11
                      I wore purple in hunters before. Didn't effect my placing because I think my horse did that for himself I don't think judges like knees flying (morgan)
                      Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
                        I once wore a non-white shirt in a Medal qualifier.
                        Granola bar all over monitor!!
                        Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RugBug View Post
                          But that's how I do hunter hair. Have I been doing hunter hair wrong all these years?
                          But I don't put any hair over my ears. In fact I make sure it's all tucked behind/under my ears. My ears probably (agh) stick out even!

                          I feel this way I can hear "FASTER" & "GALLOP" better too.
                          "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                          • #14
                            Lets see how do I know it didn't affect placings, well...if you win first I'd say it probably didn't!! This came about because of what I said about "hunter hair". Sorry but no judge that I know (and I know QUITE A FEW) are looking at your HAIRSTYLE! Now I will agree, if you show up in some off the wall, badly fitting jacket, weird color breeches, boots that are short, etc. your turnout would make the judge wonder "Am I about to see a trainwreck?" and more often than not, he probably is. BUT I have seen that same not so great turnout pin pretty well when the pony/rider turned out to be a lot better than the turnout suggested. My turnout, and my students (or moreso for my students!) is neat, clean, well-fitted, SOME of my students wear "GPA"s, but some do not, NONE of them have custom boots, but they do have a good brand of off the shelf leather field boots, most of them are riding in less expensive tack, that is clean and well fitted to the horse. NOthing about their turnout SCREAMS "I am CHEP!" but they are all mounted on under $10K horses and they win PLENTY of ribbons in some pretty durn competitive and big classes. And not ONE OF THEM does "hunter hair"!
                            www.shawneeacres.net

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
                              I once wore a non-white shirt in a Medal qualifier.
                              Me too! I won a medal final in my blue shirt(although it was on the lighter side)!

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                              • #16
                                Regarding turn out and the effect on subjective judging, you only get one chance to make a first impression. As another poster said, if the judge thinks "impending trainwreck" when you walk in the ring, then you have to overcome that first impression.

                                Or as a very well known judge put it:

                                You can work your way down from a 90, or up from a 50!

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                                • #17
                                  I go into a show ring with my cellulite, fat rolls and boobies on my econo-nag and still place in lots of classes! I even do this in *gasp* Ariat breeches and non-custom boots!
                                  A proud friend of bar.ka.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Hunter Mom View Post
                                    I go into a show ring with my cellulite, fat rolls and boobies on my econo-nag and still place in lots of classes! I even do this in *gasp* Ariat breeches and non-custom boots!
                                    "I have been Foolish and Deluded," said he, "and I am a Bear of No Brain at All." - Winnie the Pooh

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                                    • #19
                                      I wore an Eddie Bauer collarless striped shirt and no coat in an eq class and got third out of like 20. Also picked up the wrong lead in my attempt to do a classy eq entrance and pick up the lead on the diagonal line on my uber-greenie. Perhaps that does say something about the judging, tho the judge did notice the large buck in the hack class.

                                      It was my first foray back into the HJ world, I didn't want to spend a fortune on clothes, it was a pretty basic schooling show and I called ahead of time to check if my wardrobe would be OK. But I did have custom Vogel boots which kind-of shocked a number of people in the barn (OK, maybe she really did show HJ at one time)
                                      The Evil Chem Prof

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                                      • #20
                                        I won classes (and got 2nd's) at my first horse show ever (age of 11 or 12 i believe in 2004) while wearing:

                                        cotton pull on jods w/o garters, no belt, the ugliest blue shirt (this was part of uniform though!), a hideous mushroom helmet, which to top it off: didn't fit at all (was one of those adjustable ones, but it never really fit), and.. gasp: no hunter hair. no hair net. just a big pony tail! i think i was wearing blue eyeliner, too.

                                        (but this is perfectly acceptable because my first horse show was at Watchung Stable, when i started riding in their lesson program. so the blue uniform was mandatory. but god, it was ugly.

                                        oh, i think i have a picture or two

                                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...orepics-19.jpg
                                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...orepics-16.jpg
                                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...orepics-15.jpg


                                        throughout my younger walk/trot/canter x-rail show days, my outfit started to improve with moving to a REAL barn where i got REAL lessons and REAL horses

                                        ..but i still donned half chaps and that awful helmet and an ill fitting coat and .. THE SHOW BOW!! (here is 2005.. and yes i still placed)

                                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...d/PICT0124.jpg
                                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...T0121small.jpg

                                        and here i am now in 2009 .. with proper attire

                                        well, i wear rust, but the judge clearly doesn't mind:
                                        http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...04_6133712.jpg
                                        ^me smiling and about to start dancing in my saddle, as i hear the announcer say our results, in which we got a 3rd, 5th, and 5th o/f out of 40 at GS ... oh, and our tail wasn't braided
                                        (|--Sarah--|)

                                        Blitz <3 & Leap of Faith <3

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