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  • small childrens hunters and small junior hunters

    what is the height of jumps for small childrens hunter. Do small hunters have to get the same distances as large hunters, do they adjust the lines any? What about the small junior. Would a small hunter say 15.3h.h. be expected to do the same line as a large 17.2h.h. hunter or do they shorten the lines at all?

    thankyou in advance!

  • #2
    I have never seen "small childrens," that isn't done in my neck of the woods. Never heard of it, actually, but maybe it's a local circuit thing in your area?

    At rated shows, small and large juniors jump the same course. No adjustment of distances. Actually, some of the smalls seem to get around better it's about stride, not height.
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      #3
      Thankyou, I haven't done alot of showing I am an ammy. Is it just a childrens hunter division on the A circuit?

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      • #4
        Yes, it's just a Children's Hunter division, there aren't different classes for each horse height. Children's Hunters jump 3'.

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        • #5
          Children's hunters show at 3' at recognized shows. No split between smalls and larges. Junior hunters show at 3'6" and while they split the juniors between smalls and larges, they are all expected to make the strides and they do not adjust the lines. (The requirement to make the steps is one reason that a good small junior horse is worth a premium... but that's another thread.)
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          • #6
            All children's hunters are 3ft and they are generally split by rider age (depending on how big the show is). Junior hunters jump 3'6" and is split into small/large by horse height.

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            • #7
              At our "A" rated shows in this area (zone 5) there is a low childrens division. Fences are set at 2'6" and strides are the same as the 3' class.
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              • #8
                reading this just got me wondering....If they don't shorten the lines then why do they split Juniors into smalls and larges? Does anyone know??

                It's probably so basic I'll read it and say I knew that!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nlk View Post
                  reading this just got me wondering....If they don't shorten the lines then why do they split Juniors into smalls and larges? Does anyone know??
                  I believe its because the smalls have to be going faster to get the stride than the larges do. Wouldn't be fair to judge a more galloping course from a small to a loping course from a large.

                  IMO, I think the smalls should be able to get the shorter stride, but saldy thats probably not going to happen.

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                    IMO, I think the smalls should be able to get the shorter stride, but saldy thats probably not going to happen.[/QUOTE]

                    They shorten strides for medium and small ponies, why not for small, medium horses?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by quicksilverponies View Post
                      At our "A" rated shows in this area (zone 5) there is a low childrens division. Fences are set at 2'6" and strides are the same as the 3' class.
                      Yeah that is called the pre-childrens here.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fharoah View Post

                        They shorten strides for medium and small ponies, why not for small, medium horses?
                        Because medium, small, and large ponies all jump different heights. A HUGE part of doing the hunters is being able to make the stride nicely, and any decent Small Junior horse can make the stride as easily as a Large, the Smalls just look like they're going a bit faster.

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                        • #13
                          Like I said so obvious! I wasn't sure if there was anything else but that all works for me! Thanks for humoring my curiosity!

                          Now back to the OP

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                          • #14
                            Growing up I assumed the Smalls were originally split off because they were usually young kids, 10-13 y.o.s, competing against much older kids . . . but then they went and further split everything into age groups (making the Smalls even harder to fill, and far easier to get a ribbon), and now I'm not sure why they split either. Plenty of good smalls match the step of a Large, but I guess now an average Small can go around like a small pony and get a ribbon.
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                            • #15
                              In the olden times, whenever there were more than 40 junior hunters, they just split them by odd/even numbers. It prevented all that measuring and lying that goes on now.
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                              • #16
                                I've always heard Small Juniors of equal quality and show records are more expensive than Large Juniors. The explanation for this is that there a smaller range of horses that fit the height requirement and still have the ability to get the strides. It sounds like Dags post says that small juniors is an easier division. Is this true?

                                Why aren't the Junoir hunters fences different heights like they are for ponies? I'm sure the quality of horses doing junior hunters can handle additional height. How about Small Juniors jump 3'6" & Large Juniors 4'? Is there a safety concern for Juiniors jumping higher than 3'6" in hunters?

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                                • #17
                                  The competition level in the sm jr is very tough in our area. There are many kids that have one of each(not us). More people seem to be going to a small jr rather than a lg pony these days to avoid the inevitable extra sale.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by gasrgoose View Post
                                    I've always heard Small Juniors of equal quality and show records are more expensive than Large Juniors. The explanation for this is that there a smaller range of horses that fit the height requirement and still have the ability to get the strides. It sounds like Dags post says that small juniors is an easier division. Is this true?

                                    Why aren't the Junoir hunters fences different heights like they are for ponies? I'm sure the quality of horses doing junior hunters can handle additional height. How about Small Juniors jump 3'6" & Large Juniors 4'? Is there a safety concern for Juiniors jumping higher than 3'6" in hunters?
                                    I've always heard what you heard, but I guess you could consider it "easier" because there potentially will be fewer horses in it because fewer can fulfill the requirements. So it's harder for the horse but "easier" for the rider maybe because there's less in it? But then again, there might not be as many bad small junior hunters because they have to be good to make it down the lines with scope..so it could be harder? Lol I have no idea, I guess you could look at it in a multitude of different ways.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by gasrgoose View Post
                                      I've always heard Small Juniors of equal quality and show records are more expensive than Large Juniors. The explanation for this is that there a smaller range of horses that fit the height requirement and still have the ability to get the strides. It sounds like Dags post says that small juniors is an easier division. Is this true?

                                      Why aren't the Junoir hunters fences different heights like they are for ponies? I'm sure the quality of horses doing junior hunters can handle additional height. How about Small Juniors jump 3'6" & Large Juniors 4'? Is there a safety concern for Juiniors jumping higher than 3'6" in hunters?
                                      Good small juniors are indeed typically more expensive than larges although quality is expensive in either category. I don't agree that the small juniors are an easier division, at least not in my area (Zone 1 & 2) nor were they an "easy" division at WEF. I went down to watch my young horse (who is being pointed toward that division after he has a few more miles) during WCHR week and there were close to 30 small juniors in the youngers alone... only about 10 less than the numbers in the larges.

                                      Not sure why you'd want the large juniors to show over more height; the division is about style and quality, not a scope test.
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                                      • #20
                                        The Smalls at Devon is probably some of the stiffest competition of any division, and yes a *good* Small costs more than a *good* Large as there are just fewer of them around. I personally love to watch a good Small go around, they carry a little pace and jump with more effort, and remind us that size doesn't matter

                                        The Smalls had a hard time filling in some areas when I was growing up, and that was before the further split by age. If I could have only shaved 7/8" of my Large my junior career would have been far easier competition. Certainly not saying that the quality of the horse is easier to come by in this division, it is most definitely harder and the proven ones are worth a ton, but there's often a ribbon for everyone in the class. Or it gets combined.
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