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  • Importing from Europe

    Could someone share their experiences with me? Did you travel there to try horses or did you buy one "sight unseen"? Did you go through a broker? Anyone have any experience with www.KWPNimports.com ? Did you think it was worth your money to go there rather then to buy here?
    Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

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    Honestly, with the state of the economy and the fact that the euro is so much stronger than the dollar... you'd probably get a better deal on a wb here on home-turf... where people are looking to get ANY return on their investment horses that they can't move!

    That being said... if this is what you really want to do...I'd fly over to Europe with a trusted professional that has a relationship with an agent over there... never would buy one sight unseen and without sitting on it.

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      #3
      Thats what I thought at first, but its starting to seem that people here would rather hold on to their nice young ones then sell them below what they think they are really worth. Of course, there are desperate people out there but I think they are in the lower (20k-under) bracket. So even with the dollar the way it is, are euro horses still competitively priced?
      Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

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      • #4
        All I have to say is be very careful. There are far too many places that think they can take advantage of a foreigner. Go with someone who has good connections, knows who they're talking to and what they're talking about and you will hopefully go back to North America with a horse that you love, was exactly what you saw/tried and will not have been cheated in terms of pricing.
        I'm in the Netherlands right now at a wonderful sales barn - feel free to PM me if you're looking to find more info about buying horses here, or anything else!

        As for transport of a horse I believe we've used European Horse Services for almost all of our shipments to and from and they've been nothing but wonderful! www.ehs.be
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        • #5
          Be careful. "Horse traders" and people who know the value and potential of their stock are everywhere. Europeans see Americans coming if you know what I mean.

          My first instinct was to write "If you have to ask..." I don't mean that in a derogatory or snide way, but to say unless you have a trusted network-- not just a trainer in the US, but also one in Europe or an agent known to you or with a verifiable track record, plus a PPE vet, I think you are exposing yourself to a great deal of risk.

          Also, check on the costs of shipping and quarantine. Last I heard that added about $7-10K to the price of your Eurobred.

          Hope this helps with whatever you decide!
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            #6
            Well Dealers are dealers in every language, shape, and form. I'm aware of that. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly all before. However, no one has yet to answer my question: Are horses more competitvely priced in Europe or the US in terms of young stock? Even in today's economy? As far as importing, I was looking for some basic info and maybe a recomendation. I am by no means sold on going to Europe but I'm willing explore where my money will take me the farthest.
            Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

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            • #7
              I'd say it completely depends on what you are looking for. For foals I'd definitely look local first. But if you are shopping for something under saddle you may still find it easier to find it here in Europe. Numbers game, much less distance involved to travel per horse etc.etc.
              There are owners trying to cut losses on investments (who would really buy a horse as an investment anyways...) here as well. For instance last week a 8yo stallion, proven over S* sold for around 65K Euro and this horse had changed hands for 200K as a 3yo through an elite auction and was resold as an M-level 6yo for 80K.
              I wouldn't bother to come here to shop for what's readily available at home but if I understand you correctly that's not what you were asking right?
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              • #8
                I think the competitive pricing part definitely depend on where you look, who you look with, and what you are looking for. We went to Europe 2 years ago to get my moms future A/O. We went with a couple who our trainer recommended because they are always importing and know a ton of people over there. Right now I would say that you would probably find better pricing in the US due to the economy--people are trying really hard to sell horses but I agree with you in the sense that people who have really nice young prospects here are hanging on to them or still asking the same price that you could find one for in Europe.

                So like I said it all depends. My jumper is an import (we didn't import him but the people we bought him from did) and my moms future A/O we imported. I personally just liked the going to Europe and doing the shopping/trying It is a lot of setting things up and organizing everything (I just remember my mom and the trainers talking about it FOREVER) and the flying and quarantine does add quite a bit to the price (the shipping/flying/quarantine, depending on what kind of services you get when they are flying/in quarantine, added about 9k to the horses price)

                I do love a european horse though--most of the time they have great work ethics and are well broke--plus they just have a "european" look that I like. If you need any more info feel free to PM me--our barn has imported manyy horses.

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                • #9
                  A few years ago, Geoff Young wrote an article in the Rocky Mountain Horse Connection about shopping in Germany with Nancy Gooding... it gave a pretty cool picture of the process, if you can dig up the article.

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                  • #10
                    If I had unlimited price range for my next horse I would bring one over from Germany. My trainer imports from Ireland and has several contacts. She already said my next horse is going to be bought stateside becuase of the dollar value.
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                    • #11
                      Have you thought about Argentina? I don't know if you are looking for a hunter, jumper, or an equitation prospect, but we have a boarder that solely buys Argentinian horses and absolutely swears by them. And, my god, are they impressive! I was supposed to go over Christmas, but a bunch of things ended up getting in the way, but we're definitely going this upcoming year, and I am greatly looking forward to it. If you are able to make the right connections (just like Europe, I wouldn't go alone/without a good inside connection), you can get some AMAZING horses for quite a bit less money than you could get them stateside (the last horse this boarder sold was bought for the mid 4 figures and sold for the HIGH five figures in a matter of 8 months). Shipping and quarantine costs are around 5K if you can get on a full pallet. Just a thought.
                      Nine out of ten times, you'll get it wrong...but it's that tenth time that you get it right that makes all the difference.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Punkie View Post
                        Have you thought about Argentina? I don't know if you are looking for a hunter, jumper, or an equitation prospect, but we have a boarder that solely buys Argentinian horses and absolutely swears by them. And, my god, are they impressive! I was supposed to go over Christmas, but a bunch of things ended up getting in the way, but we're definitely going this upcoming year, and I am greatly looking forward to it. If you are able to make the right connections (just like Europe, I wouldn't go alone/without a good inside connection), you can get some AMAZING horses for quite a bit less money than you could get them stateside (the last horse this boarder sold was bought for the mid 4 figures and sold for the HIGH five figures in a matter of 8 months). Shipping and quarantine costs are around 5K if you can get on a full pallet. Just a thought.
                        Ditto this. I've sat on a lot of very nice horses brought over from Argentina. Some were bought for low-fives and then sold for high-fives to six figures.
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                          IMPORTING

                          So tired of people importing horses! Small rant but seriously if you are going to bring a horse here from another country it better be really special. As in you could not find it here, otherwise what is the point other than to say I imported a horse. I can guarantee that almost anything you find over there can be bought cheaper here.
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                          • #14
                            We bought my AO horse (With GP potential) and also my young one overseas (Australia). We've been really happy with both and paid less than we ever would have in the US. I would have bought here but the prices were really high

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                            • #15
                              cheaper overseas

                              LOL what a joke! Come on did your a/o horse become a g.p horse???

                              Quickly here a horse is priced based on money won, or should be, So the big winner while costing big $$$ can also bring in big $$$ winning classes. Less carefull horses that are great teachers are less expensive as they will never earn there keep. I mean really I know of several A/O horses for under 70k. Dear lord I have a 6 yr old that has g.p potential he is showing in the 1.30 and 1.35 double clear will do 1st g.p in september and oh he is a t/b and cost 2,500. I would sell him for 40k. After his winnings he has cost a total of 10k including purchase. I have 2 others that are 5 1 that is 4 and all cost under 2k and will jump a 4ft course except the 4 yo who is doing 3ft

                              There are far to may good horses here just lacking some quality trainers. Great cheerleaders though! Good job you spent 40k or 100k wow you are pretty. So sick of half cocked trainers getting clients to sped big $$ on horses.
                              grand prix

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                              • #16
                                About whether horses are cheaper here (in Europe) or over in NA, it depends on what you're looking for. If we're talking about buying a horse with top bloodlines, I think they will be more expensive in Europe because here they are obsessed with the bloodlines and some of the best semen in the world is available here and only here, making them that much more exclusive.
                                However, I believe that luvs2ridewbs doesn't need to worry about bloodlines too much since they don't really have horses here bred to be hunters.
                                If you find someone here who knows the value of a hunter horse, the price will likely be extraordinarily high. If you find someone who knows nothing about the hunter world and is trying to sell the horse as a dressage prospect (who happens to have a wonderful hunter jump) then you will likely get a great deal.
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                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Thank you for the great responces. I would be looking for a hunter prospect for those of you who were wondering. You've given me alot to think about!
                                  Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

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                                  • #18
                                    g29000, while TBs are certainly available cheaply, not everyone can ride them. I think the warmbloods are favored not only for the look, but for their rideability. Generally (certainly there are exceptions), the colder temperament of the warmblood makes it a more amateur and junior friendly horse. So yes, it is possible to buy an inexpensive TB and develop a winning horse, but it's not for everyone.

                                    Personally, it seems to me that many folks in the U.S. are not pricing realistically in view of the market. Some are, but many seem to be trying to continue on with pricing as usual. As for breeders, it is still far cheaper to raise horses abroad than it is here. By the time a young, well-bred hunter prospect is w/t/c u/s here, the breeder has spent a considerable sum getting the horse to that point.

                                    Whether it is cheaper to buy abroad or here in light of the dollar really depends on where and with whom you are shopping. OP, as others have said, do expect to spend $6k to $10k on shipping to the airport, flight and quarantine if you bring one over. More if it is a mare or a stallion (longer quarantine).

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                                    • #19
                                      I imported from Germany in 2001, sight unseen off a video direct from a breeder. At that time, it was a super deal... as the US-Euro was very strong. I got a nice foal (super athletic, beautiful conformation/mover) that probably would have been in the $10-12k range here, for under $10k including import. I would be more hesitant to look now with the currency exchange. Then again, if you find *the* horse, then it probably doesn't matter where it is... you'll do what's necessary to get it!

                                      Also regarding the sight-unseen purchases (both domestic and foreign), I have to admit that I've had three successful purchases: a pony hunter that went on to ribbon at pony finals, the warmblood foal from Germany (nice horse, but better dressage than jumping, who we sold recently), and a quarter pony for trail riding (who's begging to be a pony jumper lol!). In each case, I had good conformation photos and/or videos that sold me and the sellers were very good with communicating, answered every minute-detail of a question and were consistent in their descriptions and policies. It's risky. But you have to go with your gut. For each one of those purchases I made other inquiries on horses I liked, but for whatever reason they didn't feel right, something was off about the horse, or the seller seemed sketchy or slow to respond to questions.

                                      Most hunter/jumper trainers have connections in Europe. I've seen some of the horses that Annie Dotoli has sent to the New England area, and they've been extremely nice. So if you can find a good, in-the-know hunter/jumper person that's now based in Europe, that might also be helpful as you shop there. Good luck!
                                      Last edited by French Twist; May. 9, 2009, 03:08 AM. Reason: oops, bad grammar! a pet peeve of mine, thus i must fix!
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                                      • #20
                                        Ah, French Twist! Funny you mention Annie - she just came to see one of our horses last week! I heard she was from the states originally. She's very nice!
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