• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Revenue enhancement? Hunter equitation fee?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Revenue enhancement? Hunter equitation fee?

    Perhaps some of you experienced show gurus can explain this fee to me. My trainer took my horse to a rated show last week for some of the baby classes (i.e., training hunters, baby green hunters). It was our first recognized show and I now realize what people are talking about with all the fees. I can understand both state and USEF drug fees, haul in fee, different organization fees, but I still can't figure out what is a "hunter equitation fee" of $35. My horse didn't show in any equitation classes. I don't mind "taxation", just want to know what it is for. My trainer didn't know either but the show said that all horses showing in hunter classes had to pay this fee.

    Can someone please educate me?

  • #2
    I am guessing that it is a Hunter/Equitation nominating fee, which is lower than the Jumper nominating fee, so consider yourself lucky you didn't have to pay that The shows around here just call it a nominating fee, but I have seen it called a Hunter/Equitation nominating fee as well, to differentiate it from the nominating fee that the jumpers pay. Whatever it's called, it's just another way of taking our money

    I bet how it started is, some jumper rider said to the show manager, "why don't the hunters and the eq riders have to pay a nominating fee too?" And the show manager thought to himself, hey, that's not a bad idea...
    Ristra Ranch Equestrian Jewelry

    Comment


    • #3
      When the count is down 40 to 60%...

      The show managers had to come up with some way to recoup what they aren't getting due to the decline in attendance... Pretty soon they might come up with a REAL NON SHOWING FEE (If you own a horse within the 200 mile limit of the show and aren't going to that show, you have to pay the management $50 for NON SHOWING HORSE)....
      " iCOTH " window/bumper stickers. Wood Routed Stall and Farm Signs
      http://www.bluemooncustomsigns.com

      Comment


      • #4
        The counts will stay down permanently if they don't quit adding all of these fees! You have to be kidding? An equitation fee? Those classes don't pay any prize money. My daughter is no longer a junior, but there are some other eq classes. That is the craziest thing I have ever heard of! They are charging a class fee for the eq, why add extra to that? I get so irritated about being "nickel and dimed" to death! It won't stop unless some of us speak up and do something about it. Also, having the mileage rule eliminated would help. I believe that the show managers should do more to promote the sport itself and work on getting the public to the special classes, thereby eliminating some fees for the exhibitors. Novel idea, isn't it? It is amazing to me that a quarter horse show can be in a faciiity the week before with twice the number of judges and the stall fees are half what they are for the h/j shows! Any ideas?

        Comment


        • #5
          Equitation fee

          That's absurd. Don't put up with that nonsense. If you're not satisfied with the explanation that show staff gave for the fee, then deduct it from your final check and tell them that when they can explain the reason for the fee, then you'll decide if you'll pay it or not.

          But what's worse is that your "professional" trainer didn't find out what the fee really was. She agreed to having YOU pay it, without getting a valid explanation.

          She's working on your behalf - she works for YOU.
          It's HER responsibility to look out for YOUR best interests.

          When she presented you with the show bill, and you had a question about the fee, the trainer should have been able to get the answer for you. A REAL explanation - not just "everyone has to pay it".

          The explanation was probably in the prize list. Did she look there ?
          If not, she should have asked the show manager while she was at the show, or called afterwards. YOU -as the customer of the show and of the trainer- deserve an answer.

          If it was me, I'd deduct that fee from her next check.
          Next time, she won't be so cavalier about spending your money.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by juniormom View Post
            It is amazing to me that a quarter horse show can be in a faciiity the week before with twice the number of judges and the stall fees are half what they are for the h/j shows! Any ideas?
            Yep. It's what the market will bear.

            A farrier told me once that when he goes to non h/j shows, he charges one price, and when he goes to a h/j show, he doubles it. He said all farriers do.

            Comment


            • #7
              I still can't figure out what is a "hunter equitation fee" of $35.
              Here's what it is: ridiculous.
              "I'm not always sarcastic. Sometimes I'm asleep." - Harry Dresden

              Amy's Stuff - Rustic chic and country linens and decor
              Support my mom! She's gotta finance her retirement horse somehow.

              Comment


              • #8
                I know I'm old and haven't been paying attention, but what is the jumper nominating fee for, if not a surcharge tacked onto entries? Why not just jack up the entry fees? Same goes for "schooling over fences" fee. Why not add that into the entry fee?

                Confused with pricing strategy that says $19.99 isn't twenty bucks.
                The armchair saddler
                Politically Pro-Cat

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                  That's absurd. Don't put up with that nonsense. If you're not satisfied with the explanation that show staff gave for the fee, then deduct it from your final check and tell them that when they can explain the reason for the fee, then you'll decide if you'll pay it or not.

                  But what's worse is that your "professional" trainer didn't find out what the fee really was. She agreed to having YOU pay it, without getting a valid explanation.

                  She's working on your behalf - she works for YOU.
                  It's HER responsibility to look out for YOUR best interests.

                  When she presented you with the show bill, and you had a question about the fee, the trainer should have been able to get the answer for you. A REAL explanation - not just "everyone has to pay it".

                  The explanation was probably in the prize list. Did she look there ?
                  If not, she should have asked the show manager while she was at the show, or called afterwards. YOU -as the customer of the show and of the trainer- deserve an answer.

                  If it was me, I'd deduct that fee from her next check.
                  Next time, she won't be so cavalier about spending your money.

                  My exact thought....when I was showing clients' horses, they got an estimate of the show fees up front (which meant I went over the fees on the prizelist and added them up for the client, including figuring out what classes the horse would enter, with the explanation that we may add or scratch as necessary). If there was a question about fees, I had better have an answer!
                  In loving memory of my precious Gwendolyn; you will always be with me, in my heart. I love you.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by grandprixjump View Post
                    The show managers had to come up with some way to recoup what they aren't getting due to the decline in attendance... Pretty soon they might come up with a REAL NON SHOWING FEE (If you own a horse within the 200 mile limit of the show and aren't going to that show, you have to pay the management $50 for NON SHOWING HORSE)....
                    PLEASE don't give them any ideas!! They're quick to jump on anything these days...

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                      That's absurd. Don't put up with that nonsense. If you're not satisfied with the explanation that show staff gave for the fee, then deduct it from your final check and tell them that when they can explain the reason for the fee, then you'll decide if you'll pay it or not.
                      Yeah, that's a great idea Save $35, but get suspended from USEF because you failed to pay your fees at a show. Straightening that out will cost more than $35, believe me. Or leave your trainer to cover your fees - I don't know about your barn, but for mine, my check is the last one closed, and anything my clients didn't pay gets tacked on to mine. Oh, and not to mention, make everyone else who is waiting to close out their checks stand in the office behind you late on a Sunday while their horses wait to go home while you argue over $35. Not a great way to make friends and influence your office staff or your fellow competitors!

                      The key is to look at the fine print on the prize list BEFORE entering the show, ask any questions to the secretary - if the secretary cannot answer your questions, ask for the show manager. If the show manager cannot explain, contact the organization that is running the show or the USEF if it is one of their fees. You may not like the fees, but it's unlikely the show will change them just for you.
                      Ristra Ranch Equestrian Jewelry

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        and, of course, people run horse shows for fun not for profit - have you ever run one?...it's way fun! When the entries are down and the books are in the red - most fun ever
                        * <-- RR Certified Gold Star {) <-- RR Golden Croissant Award
                        Training Tip of the Day: If you can’t beat your best competitor, buy his horse.
                        NO! What was the question?

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I always thought for jumpers that they charge a nominating fee because prize money is offered. If that is true, I can maybe see a nominating fee for hunters, but in equitation they can't offer prize money. Just one more fee! If I saw that fee on a prize list, it may make me think twice about attending the show.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I wasn't sure when Billy was coming back from school so I didn't send in St Clements entries....He's home so I thought I would take a few of the horses up for the weekend to show....NOT! $50 late fee, $50 (a DAY) ship in fee, and the ever popular $35 "office fee"(they have to rent the office??) $135 dollars PER HORSE before the trailer got hooked up (that is whole 'nuther story) or diesel got put in the truck or the classes were entered....so they dont want your 500 dollars they want your 500 PLUS 135 PER HORSE in misc fees...so they get NOTHING. What a STUPID business decision. WAKE UP management!!... the day of sticking it in and breaking it off in the exhibitor might just be over...(Thank God) $550 dollars(late, ship in times 2 and office for three horses) in stupid fees? I think NOT!
                            The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fixerupper View Post
                              and, of course, people run horse shows for fun not for profit - have you ever run one?...it's way fun! When the entries are down and the books are in the red - most fun ever
                              I have NO problem with horse shows making a profit....I DO have a problem with usury fees....there is profit and then there is profiteering....BIG DIFFERENCE!
                              The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Vandy View Post
                                Yeah, that's a great idea Save $35, but get suspended from USEF because you failed to pay your fees at a show. Straightening that out will cost more than $35, believe me.
                                No one is going to get suspended from USEF.

                                Once she has the explanation, if she disagrees with it, or finds the fee excessive, she has the option to deduct it from her check. Let show management come after her for it. Or let them report her to USEF. Then USEF can go after her for it.

                                When/if she hears from USEF, she can pay it if she wants. She can also file a complaint with USEF about show managment charging excessive fees.

                                The point is to SPEAK UP and stop being railroaded into paying these meaningless fees.

                                Oh, and not to mention, make everyone else who is waiting to close out their checks stand in the office behind you late on a Sunday while their horses wait to go home while you argue over $35. Not a great way to make friends and influence your office staff or your fellow competitors!
                                Why wait until the very end of the show ? The fees aren't a secret, and an exhibitor's show account can be pulled up at any time. The time to ask is at the beginning of the show, not at the end. Anyone who waits until the end of show to dispute fees is obnoxious.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  The time to ask about fees is when you get the prize list. Get the answer or solution you want. (By the way, please don't expect that because you are a BNT you get different rates than others. It used to chap my hide bad when their clients were not charged post-entries but the rest of us were!) Then vote with your feet and your wallet, letting the show management know why you took whatever course of action you did.
                                  The armchair saddler
                                  Politically Pro-Cat

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    The shows at the LA Equestrian Center in Burbank have alot of these fees. I have never understood the nominating fees. What am I being nominated for? They charge a jumper nominating fee even for classes with no prize money. The have a hunter/equitation nominating fee and then a jumper nominating fee. What if you want to do jumpers and equitation and not hunters? You have to pay two nominating fees. There is also a late fee for all shows even their "B" rated ones. It is a beautiful facility and the shows are well run, but I cringe at paying these fees. Many of the local medal finals are at this facility, so I guess you have to pay to play.

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      And the show manager recently had a puff piece written about him in a h/j magazine.

                                      Who are they kidding ?

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Off topic

                                        jumpinghigh83

                                        "Sticking it in and breaking it off in the exhibitor"-- a delicious spin off on just "sticking it to" that I clearly (clearly!) need to add to my vocab. Thanks! Seriously.
                                        The armchair saddler
                                        Politically Pro-Cat

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X