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  • Can an ammy show sale horses?

    My friend has moved to a new (more expensive- horsey wise) part of the country. She sold her horse when she left, and is currently riding at a barn that has a few sale horses.
    She rides them with no reimbursement and pays for a lesson on 1 per week. She doesn't pay board or expenses on them, either their owners or BO/Trainer pays (if BO owns the horse...) for everything.
    She wants to show but isn't sure if she is breaking the ammy rule.
    She pays for all of her own bills as well as trailering, stalls, all show fees. Is she still an ammy, even if someone is paying trainer to try and sell the horses and she is showing the horses? (Sporadically, as in twice every 3 months or so, usually not the same horse)

    Also, BO/Trainer wanted to pay her a little something when a horse sold at the show she showed it at- is that ok?

    thanks guys!

  • #2
    No "getting a little something" if horsie sells. Ammies not allowed to receive commissions. The rest sounds fine, based on what I'm reading.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by heartinrye View Post
      My friend has moved to a new (more expensive- horsey wise) part of the country. She sold her horse when she left, and is currently riding at a barn that has a few sale horses.
      She rides them with no reimbursement and pays for a lesson on 1 per week. She doesn't pay board or expenses on them, either their owners or BO/Trainer pays (if BO owns the horse...) for everything.
      She wants to show but isn't sure if she is breaking the ammy rule.
      She pays for all of her own bills as well as trailering, stalls, all show fees. Is she still an ammy, even if someone is paying trainer to try and sell the horses and she is showing the horses? (Sporadically, as in twice every 3 months or so, usually not the same horse)

      Also, BO/Trainer wanted to pay her a little something when a horse sold at the show she showed it at- is that ok?

      thanks guys!


      Here comes the shamateur train wreck... I keep flipping the channel but it seems to be on every station.

      :: Maybe instead of a giving her a little "something" in a monetary sense... a "VERY NICE" tack store Gift Certificate should be given as a token of appreciation. Last time I checked, USEF wasn't auditing Bevals.

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      • #4
        All of it sounds fine to me, as I understand the rules, except the "little something" they wanted to pay her. However, I did wonder if that was just reimbursing her for the show fees, etc., since the horse sold at the show and she had already paid for the show fees/etc. (did she get to show?). If that was the case, I'm not sure it was a problem...?

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        • #5
          I'm an amateur!

          And we wonder why the USEF keeps tightening the amateur rules. you go and read the rule book and you think--hey, that is simple enough. but then here comes another "amateur" who wants to ride and show other people's horses, have someone else pay the bills, and not call themselves a "professional". I thought only the junior riders did this.

          Amateur-a person who engages in a pursuit for pleasure and not as a profession.

          Maybe we just need to add a third category. Amateur, Professional, and let-me-do-whatever-I-want.
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          • #6
            Wow, you guys are cranky for no reason.

            This person IS an amateur. Accepting money from the trainer if the horse sells would make them a pro (also if she accepted gifts of lessons, board, etc).

            She can accept remuneration for expenses (reasonable) like gas money, hotel room, etc. But that is it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by feather river View Post
              And we wonder why the USEF keeps tightening the amateur rules. you go and read the rule book and you think--hey, that is simple enough. but then here comes another "amateur" who wants to ride and show other people's horses, have someone else pay the bills, and not call themselves a "professional". I thought only the junior riders did this.

              Amateur-a person who engages in a pursuit for pleasure and not as a profession.

              Maybe we just need to add a third category. Amateur, Professional, and let-me-do-whatever-I-want.
              Wow I think this is a little harsh. Obviously the "little something" at the end is a no go, but she clearly said her friend doesn't have her own horse and pays all the show fees. I don't think it's fair to say that someone riding horses other than their own doesn't fit the definition of someone who rides "in pursuit of pleasure and not as a professional."

              I see nothing wrong with an amateur paying to show sale horses, especially if she has nothing else to ride.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by feather river View Post
                And we wonder why the USEF keeps tightening the amateur rules. you go and read the rule book and you think--hey, that is simple enough. but then here comes another "amateur" who wants to ride and show other people's horses, have someone else pay the bills, and not call themselves a "professional". I thought only the junior riders did this.

                Amateur-a person who engages in a pursuit for pleasure and not as a profession.

                Maybe we just need to add a third category. Amateur, Professional, and let-me-do-whatever-I-want.
                This attitude right here is what will keep me from showing as an Amateur when I start to show again next year. I'll take showing with the big guns over that kind of 'tude any day.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
                  Wow, you guys are cranky for no reason.

                  This person IS an amateur. Accepting money from the trainer if the horse sells would make them a pro (also if she accepted gifts of lessons, board, etc).

                  She can accept remuneration for expenses (reasonable) like gas money, hotel room, etc. But that is it.

                  I don't believe that, as an amateur, hotel room expenses can be accepted any longer.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pirateer View Post
                    She can accept remuneration for expenses (reasonable) like gas money, hotel room, etc. But that is it.
                    The rules now explicitly say that "hotel room" is NOT permitted.
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                    • #11
                      Come on people, stop being so lazy! All of the rules are online so all you have to do is look them up and spend the half hour to really understand them. If you still have a question after you have done your homework, then by all means, ask away, but don't just expect everyone else to do your work for you. If you want something done right, do it yourself, then there can be no question if you are in the clear or not. I don't mean this as a personal attack, it just seems like the same ammy questions get asked all the time. Read the rule book first, ask questions second!

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                      • #12
                        If you are a member of usef or even just want some clarification CALL THEM if you have a question about the rules... Thats what their there for. The people on these boards although they know somethings about the rules are not going to do you any services if you break them because well BB poster X on coth told me I was all good to go isn't going to fly if someone protests you. Seriously folks get your memberships worth of money and call to find out the right answer to a rule...
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                        • #13
                          The way I read the ammy rules, the person can show a horse and have the bills paid for on that horse (board, entries, braiding, etc) and still be an ammy.

                          As long as your friend does not accept any cash for riding she would still be considered an ammy.

                          I think this rule kind of blurs the lines a little bit, but it's mostly a judgement call.

                          2. The following activities do not affect the amateur status of a person who is otherwise
                          qualified:

                          d. Accepting a token of appreciation, other than money, for riding, driving or showing in
                          halter/in hand. (Note: Horse board, prize money, partial support or objects of more than
                          $300 are considered remuneration, not small tokens of appreciation). (Also note:
                          accepting any amount of money, whether more or less than $300, is considered
                          remuneration.) Prize money won by an amateur-owner rider/driver/handler in any class
                          (other than equitation or showmanship) is not considered remuneration.
                          To me that means that the trainer could get her something from Beval's or the like and she'd still be an ammy.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by feather river View Post
                            here comes another "amateur" who wants to ride and show other people's horses, have someone else pay the bills,
                            Uh, you DO know this does not keep you from being an ammy???
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                              #15
                              Ok so it's ok to show horses that are not hers and that are for sale. But not ok to get cash for helping sell a horse (not being an agent, just happening to show the horse and someone become interested).
                              Thank you to everyone who was helpful.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Nickelodian View Post
                                The way I read the ammy rules, the person can show a horse and have the bills paid for on that horse (board, entries, braiding, etc) and still be an ammy.

                                As long as your friend does not accept any cash for riding she would still be considered an ammy.

                                I think this rule kind of blurs the lines a little bit, but it's mostly a judgement call.



                                To me that means that the trainer could get her something from Beval's or the like and she'd still be an ammy.

                                Ok I'm confused a little- as an ammy I can't accept prize money from the horse show? Is that what the rule book is saying?

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                                • #17
                                  You CAN accept prize money, but NOT for Eq. or Showmanship.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by OneMoreTime View Post
                                    You CAN accept prize money, but NOT for Eq. or Showmanship.
                                    Just curious, do you know the reasoning behind this?

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                                    • #19
                                      Here is how I understand it:

                                      If the ammy was showing someone else's horse, that owner paid all the bills, and then the ammy got paid the prize money directly, that would be considered renumeration. If the ammy was showing someone else's horse and paying the bills on that horse, the prize money could go to him/her.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by over the moon View Post
                                        Just curious, do you know the reasoning behind this?
                                        Those classes are judged on the rider or handler NOT the horse.

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