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  • Am I being presumptous?

    My horse goes best getting work 6 days a week. She is pretty green over fences, but to just get on her and hack- she is simple, kick along quiet. I want to only ride 4-5 days a week, and no $ to pay trainer for extra rides. My friend rides her once a week as time allows.

    Sooo.... there are a gaggle of kids at the barn and one girl is quite good. Trainer suggested I ask her, so fine, she is riding the horse. Great. I am assuming that it is a "treat" at that age to get an extra horse to ride on occasion. And not factoring in paying her.

    But then I see on another topic- people getting $15-20 to hack a horse. I kind of feel like it's "free" experience, I'm not expecting training, not telling her what to do. Under what circumstances should you pay a barn kid to ride your horse? I don't want to offend these people....

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    Is she making a special trip out just to do your horse? Or is she simply tacking one on to her list?

    If it's the first one, it might be nice to give her gas money every once and a while, but if it's the second, I would assume that she would do it as a "treat". Just my opinion. I've been that kid and always was happy to do one more if I was already at the barn.

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    • #3
      If the kid is willing to do it for free, then obviously they're fine getting paid in experience. Unless she comes to you asking for money, don't sweat it.

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      • #4
        Is she's doing you a favour and saving you work then pay her something.

        Even if it's payment in gifts.

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        • #5
          I agree with maybe some gas money if she's having to make a special trip...otherwise, she's lucky to get another ride.

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          • #6
            I second that. There is no riding experience that can't be a learning one, and regardless its still more time on a horse. Especially if this is a junior, she should be happy to have another horse to ride. It would be nice, though, if she does it regularly and is responsible and good to the horse, if some small form of appreciation is shown at some point, such as gas money or a small gift.

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            • #7
              As a junior, I would've done it for free. As an amateur, I'd certainly do it for free

              If, however, you feel that you're benefiting from her riding, ask trainer what is appropriate.
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              They're small hearts.

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              • #8
                I think that the experience for a kid is what they should be getting paid in, not money. Extra saddle time should be reward enough.

                And if you like how the kid rides your horse, a little thank you gift every now and then would probably be very appreciated (but not expected). Like a $20 gas card if the kid drives, or buy her lunch sometimes. Sometimes little tokens go a long way in saying "I really appreciate you helping me out with Trigger." Doesn't have to be expensive to be appreciated.

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                • #9
                  I ride a few of the others boarders horses at my barn for them because they need their horses ridden and they cant come to the barn for some reason. I dont get paid by these people, because I just like riding there horses to get experience on other horses than my own. Every now and then Ill get a thank you gift such as a gift card to a tack shop, or an extra special birthday/Christmas gift. Sometimes if they go to a show they will let me do a class or 2 on the horse, which is probably my favorite thing.

                  But every now and then a little thank you note from the owner makes me feel good and they appreciate me riding their horse.

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                    She's already at the barn, just a matter of adding one to the list.

                    She is saving me "work" but I used to save my friend work by riding her horse and felt like she was treating me to something nice by asking me to ride. A gift is a nice idea, again.... I'm a bit short on cash given the bad economy. (ie, I really can't afford to pay... or shop for something). Maybe I can give her a hand with barn chores- clean her tack or something.

                    I think I will let her know that if it is an inconvenience to let me know. It's just new to me that kids get paid to ride- but thinking back- my old barn had a kid that charged $30 to "train" people's horses.

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                    • #11
                      We ride each other's horses all the time. When someone is hurt, out of town, busy with work/school, etc. No one ever thinks of paying for it. It is just kind of "barn karma."
                      A proud friend of bar.ka.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by magnolia73 View Post
                        She's already at the barn, just a matter of adding one to the list.

                        She is saving me "work" but I used to save my friend work by riding her horse and felt like she was treating me to something nice by asking me to ride. A gift is a nice idea, again.... I'm a bit short on cash given the bad economy. (ie, I really can't afford to pay... or shop for something). Maybe I can give her a hand with barn chores- clean her tack or something.
                        A hand written thank you is always nice and well appreciated.

                        I don't know your financial situation and I don't want to pry, but if you show, buying her lunch (picking up a hamburger and a soda or whatever) is nice and shouldn't break the bank.

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                        • #13
                          When I was a kid, it was all fun and experince for me! Even now as a young professional I do not always get paid to ride horses as sale horses and such, but rather I get free lessons which are way more beneifical to me than money. I am riding a young horse in exchange for some new tall boots which I needed badly. To me I am still young enough that its about experince so when I do strike out on my own as a professional I can handle anything thrown at me.
                          I love cats, I love every single cat....
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                          • #14
                            My daughter is asked to ride horses if owners are unable to get out and is thrilled for the opportunity. It must be a horse that is at her level, no crazed killers, and the trainer lets people know if their horse is a good fit. She never gets paid but now and then a small present is given and it is appreciated but not expected. She is so happy to have the variety of rides and luckily is always happiest with her own sweet guy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by magnolia73 View Post
                              My horse goes best getting work 6 days a week. She is pretty green over fences, but to just get on her and hack- she is simple, kick along quiet. I want to only ride 4-5 days a week, and no $ to pay trainer for extra rides. My friend rides her once a week as time allows.

                              Sooo.... there are a gaggle of kids at the barn and one girl is quite good. Trainer suggested I ask her, so fine, she is riding the horse. Great. I am assuming that it is a "treat" at that age to get an extra horse to ride on occasion. And not factoring in paying her.

                              But then I see on another topic- people getting $15-20 to hack a horse. I kind of feel like it's "free" experience, I'm not expecting training, not telling her what to do. Under what circumstances should you pay a barn kid to ride your horse? I don't want to offend these people....
                              She's a kid. Most kids LOVE riding good horses... so let her just have the privledge of hacking your lovely mare, unless you're approached by trainer and/or parent about compensation.

                              Around the holidays, it's always nice to pick up a little something extra for the kid... just to say thanks and show your appreciation.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Tini Sea Soldier View Post
                                She's a kid. Most kids LOVE riding good horses... so let her just have the privledge of hacking your lovely mare, unless you're approached by trainer and/or parent about compensation.

                                Around the holidays, it's always nice to pick up a little something extra for the kid... just to say thanks and show your appreciation.
                                I know that if I were that kid, I would be absolutely thrilled for the opportunity to ride another horse, and would do it for free! Granted, when at home I'm about 10 minutes from the barn so even if I had to make an extra trip just for said horse it wouldn't be a big deal. I agree about possibly giving a present or "thank you" around the holiday's, but for most horse crazy kids (shoot, people in general) extra rides are always welcomed and not expected to be paid.

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                                • #17
                                  I wouldn't pay her. Nor would I feel bad about not paying her. You're both benefitting. Just be sure to emphasize that if/when it becomes an inconvenience, she needs to let you know.

                                  I had a kid riding for me (re-hab riding...so really not fun) during the summer. She enjoyed it (my horse is much nicer than what she normally rides...even when it's just re-hab trotting). She let me know that she didn't have time after school started again. Worked out just fine.

                                  I'm also the type that doesn't pay if I need someone to take care of my horse for a few days (within reason). You know, feed, blanket, maybe longe...ride if they are on the 'approved list'. Then when they need someone to take care of their horse, I'm available. I call it being neighborly...something society has sort of lost touch with.
                                  Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                                  Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                                  • #18
                                    If she's happy with the arrangement and you're happy with the arrangement, then don't worry about it.


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                                    • #19
                                      I agree with the majority of posts here. I started out by riding EVERYTHING I could, for free. I even got an amazing opportunity to ride a horse for a year while the owner was in Canada - AND I had to do HER share of barn chores! (the horse was crazy and could've killed me - I was 16 - but I LOVED him and was ecstatic to get the offer!) He was an OTTB, and a very difficult ride, but he taught me a LOT.

                                      I never got paid, and probably got a nice Christmas gift or something similar.

                                      I agree with the person that said to help out with her barn chores (as we all know, EVERYONE is strapped for cash right now!). You mentioned she rides other horses (not in lessons)? If you are there when she rides, maybe help her tack/cool off/bathe those horses. Or help clean her tack? I know the girls where I used to work LOVED 7-11 slurpies in the summer, maybe pick her up one on the way to the barn one day (search around in your car for change - I found $2.50 to buy my boyfriend a sonic slush the other day! ).

                                      As far as whether you SHOULD pay her or not, unless she is getting paid to ride other's horses (trainer should be able to tell you), or she is actually TRAINING the horse, a small token of appreciation should do the trick.
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                                      • #20
                                        That other post is from an adult asked directly by the owner to ride a sometimes difficult horse that not everybody can ride...even then skills come into question in determining what, if anything, is to be paid.

                                        This is just extra hacks suggested by the trainer with a barn kid and not customarily something the kid would be paid for. If it's a decent horse, they should be paying you to ride it.

                                        And, no, I do not pay for barn kids to hack my nice horse-and they give me little gifts for the priviledge along with lots of thank yous.
                                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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