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  • What to charge for riding barnmate's horse?

    I am an amateur rider who has been asked by a barnmate to ride their young horse for them. This is not really a training situation; this is more of a "keep the horse going so no one gets killed" situation (yes, my skills are adequate to handle this horse). Barnmate will be paying me for riding this horse, but I don't know what to charge, because once again, this is not really a training situation, and in terms of skill level, I am not professional level. Thoughts?

    Yes, I am aware that this will make me a professional. I am not competing any time in the near future, nor am I a member of USEF, so this is not a problem. Please do not turn this into a "shamateur" discussion, as this is not the situation.

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    • #3
      A few summers ago, I needed my TB exercised one extra day a week for his sanity and my safety. Work was crazy and I couldn't work in the extra day. I paid one of the barn kids $10 a ride. I knew the rides were quick and not training rides so I felt it was a fair amount at the time.

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      • #4
        There are plenty of qualified juniors and amateurs who would do it for the experience.

        The going rate from a pro isn't a help to you in determining a fair value.

        In your position you might want to ask yourself what is it worth to the horse's owner.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by used2 View Post
          There are plenty of qualified juniors and amateurs who would do it for the experience.

          In your position you might want to ask yourself what is it worth to the horse's owner.
          That depends on where the OP is. There aren't alot of (non-pro) people around here I would want to ride my horse, for example. I know the BO where I used to board would pay different boarders $10 to work some horses in training, but that was lunging (yes the owners knew the BO did this). I've heard people around here offer others $20 for rides on young stock that need mileage (i.e. not training per se).

          I'd go a step further and just ask the horse's owner what they are willing to pay.
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          • #6
            I guess it kind of annoys me that you would accept payment. I mean, you said you are not a professional and your "skills are adequate", so that tells me that you're an okay rider. Why not just ride the horse and get the experience for both you and him at no charge? I know it takes your time but why does everyone have to be paid for everything they do these days? If if were my daughter we were talking about, I'd tell her to be happy that the owner of the horse thinks she's good enough to get on it and not to expect payment. But that's just me. You can't put a price on experience.

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            • #7
              I have someone ride my horse twice a week for no cost; she's a much better rider than I am so it works out well for both of us. She gets to ride for free and I get free training.

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              • #8
                I thought that the general rule was that if you get paid for riding or training (no matter what the circumstance or amount) that you are no longer an amatuer. I've turned down money just because of this reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gg4918 View Post
                  I thought that the general rule was that if you get paid for riding or training (no matter what the circumstance or amount) that you are no longer an amatuer. I've turned down money just because of this reason.
                  Did you read the original post all the way through?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                    Did you read the original post all the way through?
                    OOPS No I didnt!! I'm in class and tend to skim over things. Nevermind!

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                    • #11
                      Haha this reminds me of when I was about 10 and my mother's friend (a very good rider about 25 at the time) said that she wanted to start looking for horses to ride and was wondering what to charge... I misunderstood her and said "I'll let you ride my pony for free anytime you want!" She was not impressed by that and I was suitably embarrassed.

                      I'd say $10 a ride, if you ride for an hour (which is generous) thats above minimum. My old coach charged $40 for a training ride, so I think 1/4 of that for an exercising ride seems appropriate. Maybe $12
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cleartheoxer View Post
                        I guess it kind of annoys me that you would accept payment. I mean, you said you are not a professional and your "skills are adequate", so that tells me that you're an okay rider. Why not just ride the horse and get the experience for both you and him at no charge? I know it takes your time but why does everyone have to be paid for everything they do these days? If if were my daughter we were talking about, I'd tell her to be happy that the owner of the horse thinks she's good enough to get on it and not to expect payment. But that's just me. You can't put a price on experience.
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                          Originally posted by GPSM View Post
                          I am an amateur rider who has been asked by a barnmate to ride their young horse for them. This is not really a training situation; this is more of a "keep the horse going so no one gets killed" situation (yes, my skills are adequate to handle this horse). Barnmate will be paying me for riding this horse, but I don't know what to charge, because once again, this is not really a training situation, and in terms of skill level, I am not professional level. Thoughts?

                          Yes, I am aware that this will make me a professional. I am not competing any time in the near future, nor am I a member of USEF, so this is not a problem. Please do not turn this into a "shamateur" discussion, as this is not the situation.
                          I hate bills... so if I had my own horse at the same place... I might ask them to pick up my shoeing bill for my horse...if I'm only riding the greenie once or twice a week.
                          If I was riding the horse 3-5 days a week and doing more training (i.e. schooling over jumps, lunging, etc)... maybe ask them to pick up shoeing bill and pay for a lesson on my own horse once per month with my trainer.

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                          • #14
                            As a person that started charging to ride horses when I was 15 (these were NOT show horses, but backyard/green horses that simply needed exercise rides), I agree with the OP about wanting to charge. Yes, you learn something from every horse you sit on, but giving a greenie mileage isn't necessarily a huge boost to one's riding resume. If this was a seasoned show horse, I would say do it for the experience, but it sounds like this is a greenie/problem horse that just needs someone to sit on it a few times a week.

                            When I was younger (I'm not sure how old the OP is, just giving an example), I charged between $10-$20 a ride (I did this for a few years, so prices increased as my experience increased). When I officially started "training," I believe I charged $25.

                            I would say between $10-$20 is a fair price, depending on your experience. I would also factor in travel and gas expenses, if you have to ride the horse on days that you don't plan on being at the barn.
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                              Originally posted by cleartheoxer View Post
                              I guess it kind of annoys me that you would accept payment. I mean, you said you are not a professional and your "skills are adequate", so that tells me that you're an okay rider. Why not just ride the horse and get the experience for both you and him at no charge? I know it takes your time but why does everyone have to be paid for everything they do these days? If if were my daughter we were talking about, I'd tell her to be happy that the owner of the horse thinks she's good enough to get on it and not to expect payment. But that's just me. You can't put a price on experience.
                              And it kind of annoys me when owners think I should ride for free b/c they are giving me "experience". And my absolute favourite is when the horse is green as grass or rank to boot!

                              It really depends on the situation & persons involved with this sort of arrangement - as in, does the OP have nothing else to ride, is the horse in question well-broke, is the OP a decent rider who will improve the horse etc....
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Czar View Post
                                And it kind of annoys me when owners think I should ride for free b/c they are giving me "experience". And my absolute favourite is when the horse is green as grass or rank to boot!

                                It really depends on the situation & persons involved with this sort of arrangement - as in, does the OP have nothing else to ride, is the horse in question well-broke, is the OP a decent rider who will improve the horse etc....

                                Well then don't ride the horse if they don't want to pay you. Pretty easy in my mind. I am sorry but I would never pay anyone but a pro with years of experince to ride my horse. Sorry, but unless its your job then no way are you getting paid. Then again I would never be in this situation. Truthfully I would rather my horse sit and do nothing than having people ride him. Its better for both of us.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Czar View Post
                                  And it kind of annoys me when owners think I should ride for free b/c they are giving me "experience".
                                  But you are a trainer, correct? So in your situation, yes I see it to be annoying cause it's your profession. The OP is not a pro nor do they wish to be one.

                                  OP--I guess it depends on the situation. Is the owner going to groom/tack so all you do is hop on/off? Are you doing all the care yourself? With a young horse--how long do you plan to ride on average? 20 minutes? 40 minutes? All that I guess would factor into you figuring out what your time is worth.
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                                  • #18
                                    When I was a junior I was asked to ride a horse and jumped at the idea, only after did the mom try to pay me, I refused since I actually had fun riding the horse, plus when people at the barn heard- they were all lining up! Lots of experience for me, and convenience for those who were busy!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Giddy-up View Post
                                      But you are a trainer, correct? So in your situation, yes I see it to be annoying cause it's your profession. The OP is not a pro nor do they wish to be one.

                                      OP--I guess it depends on the situation. Is the owner going to groom/tack so all you do is hop on/off? Are you doing all the care yourself? With a young horse--how long do you plan to ride on average? 20 minutes? 40 minutes? All that I guess would factor into you figuring out what your time is worth.
                                      Yes my situation is a little different...I'm an in-between - I have my pro status b/c I get paid to ride and I teach a few lessons but I don't actually have my own business nor do I ride full-time...anymore. I suppose this is a bit of a sore spot for me since as a young professional, there were many times owners thought I should jump at the chance to ride their beastly horses who had barely been handled or who had been cast off from another trainer b/c of their unrideability simply b/c I was young.

                                      And before this thread takes a wrong turn....it would have been a different story for me had I been offered a half decent mount even if super green as I could have used such an opportunity to make a name for myself & would have taken full advantage of that. I DID ride lots of rank beasts as I knew you had to start somewhere but at some point, riding all the bad ones starts to give you the WRONG sort of reputation, not to mention, takes a toll on your riding.
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                                      • #20
                                        My horse is being leased out right now, so I don't really have anything to ride. I'd definitely ride it for free!

                                        But even when I had my horse, if someone asked me to ride their horse for a certain period of time, I'd do it for free if I had time for it. But I'm the type that really values experience.

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