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Crossrails at an A show? Really? rant

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  • Crossrails at an A show? Really? rant

    I am going to apologize right up front for the rant. I was looking through a prize list that I just received for a show and was really shocked to see that it had a WTC crossrail division and a 2 ft division Are you kidding me? This is a prize list for 3 weeks of showing. 2 A shows and one AA show. How much more dumbed down does this sport need to get? If you are still doing crossrails, go to schooling shows. I know everyone needs to start somewhere and I am all for kids and beginner adults getting out and starting to show over the 2 ft and crossrail division. It's fun and good experience. But I don't think those classes belong in an A show...much less a AA show. There are plenty of local shows that have appropriate divisions for beginner riders and green horses. I think that A shows shouldn't really have anything lower than 3 ft.

    Does anyone else think it's ridiculous or is it just me?

  • #2
    I totally agree with you and that is why I stick with the schooling/local shows. I'm only doing 2' and wouldn't even think about going to an A show!!!

    I don't have a problem with some 2'6" for green rider/horses, etc at A shows but 2' and crossrails... That's rediculous.

    Yes, there has to be appropriate fence heights for ponies - but that's a whole different thing.

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    • #3
      I understand your frustration but, for the sake of discussion, perhaps the poor economy is to blame here. (Man, I sure am tired of seeing the state of the economy as the scapegoat in an overwhelming number of issues!) My theory is that the manager is reaching out to a broader client base-at least testing the waters...Desperate times call for desperate measures!

      Though, apparently, they've gotta consider the impact on current clients!

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      • #4
        There's plenty of "A" shows that have x rails and 2' fences.
        I don't see what the big deal is, these classes fill and the show makes money.
        Why does it bother you that maybe a short stirrup kid, or a novice adult wants to show over smaller jumps.
        Multi day "A" shows are a great experience, for both horse and rider.

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        • #5
          The classes under 3' are big money makers for the shows, that's why. They charge the same division entry fees, don't have to hand out any money, and the classes are filled to the brim.

          I don't understand why people keep bringing this subject up...if there are enough rings and the show is not being held up, what difference does it make?

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          • #6
            I feel the same way. We all have been there, but the whole idea is to get good enough to go to these bigger deal shows. To start out there is so unnecessary.

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            • #7
              I guess even the wussy people need a way to spend their money and have some fun feeling fancy.

              edited because people didn't get my point, how about you let them spend their money and have fun any way they want.
              Last edited by enjoytheride; May. 2, 2009, 09:29 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                I guess even the wussy people need a way to spend their money and have some fun feeling fancy.

                That wasn't nice.

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                • #9
                  The alternative

                  Fair enough. But to divide A shows from schooling shows this way, you'd have to have a training operation large enough to sport two strings-- one for each kind of shows. That means at least a trainer and an assistant to pay, if not more employees.

                  Or you could have dedicated "local circuit" trainers and the rated-trainers. The problem with the "feeder approach" strategy (which has been going on for a long time) is that everyone wants to get to the rated side of things. The clients there simply have more to spend for "the same thing" as in show fees, horses (and therefore commissions).

                  Since trainers have to make a living, you can't blame them for wanting to be able to bring all clients- big and little- to the same show. Show management sees profitability, too.

                  Is this "dumbing down"? I suppose. But then in the 1960s, you didn't get to show until you could jump a 3'6" course. Ask yourself if the bar were that high now, could you afford to be part of the rated scene?

                  So there's a better question behind all this: How would you arrange things differently?
                  The armchair saddler
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                  • #10
                    I have a young green horse, who needs show experience.
                    When my trainer goes away for a week to an A show, I go with him.
                    I'll usually do the 2'3" or 2'6" hunter classes and it's been a wonderful experience for the horse.
                    It has nothing to do with feeling fancy, or dumbing down.
                    Actually with all the extra activities going on at a big show, it's a step up from the local shows.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                      I guess even the wussy people need a way to spend their money and have some fun feeling fancy.
                      Wow. Get up on the wrong side of the stall this morning?

                      DD is ten. She rode out of Pebble Beach Equestrian all summer in 2007, when she was 8, on their lesson ponies. Pebble, of course, has a series of "A" and "AA" shows all summer long. For us, that WAS a local show. DD showed (and won) all season in the walk/trot division. Even if we'd wanted to, the lesson ponies don't leave the property to go to other shows. So we showed where we lived. It was fun, exciting, great times. She was the division champ for the series, in walk/trot. Half way through the year she was thrilled to get to 'move up' to the crossrails. For the three-week july show, she was 'grand champion.' You know what? It thrilled the bejesus out of her little self. Those ribbons are still hanging in honor over her bed.

                      Was there an age restriction on the classes? Nope. Walk/trot and crossrails were open to adults too. Some of the adults were in our situation - showing on lesson ponies that went where the trainers went. Some of the riders were the pro's kids or family members. Was it weird to see adults in with the little kids? Yep. But everyone starts somewhere. Heck, Pebble even breaks the crossrails division into two parts - those that want to canter the fences and those that want to trot them.

                      I'm just starting to ride again. If I decide to show, I'll have to show where DD does (At the "A's") because we can't be in two places. Does that mean I shouldn't show because she's at the "A" level and I'm a re-rider getting over a sudden fear of jumping? Hmm..

                      If the fact that those classes are even being held gets your panties in such a twist, don't hang out on the rail watching them. Other than that, deal with it and get on with your life.

                      If you love me let me go....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                        I guess even the wussy people need a way to spend their money and have some fun feeling fancy.


                        And having low divisions at AA shows affects you how????

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                        • #13
                          Hey ... so you don't go to an A show to do crossrails or two feet - yep, I agree.... OTOH, if DD is showing (3'6" or more) and the horse is there and not overworked and if I'm ready and if there is a crossrail class, I might just hop on and do it

                          I think its ok if I have a little fun as well. Having started riding at 50, I am not nearly foolish enough to think that I will ever do a fossils over fences class... I do some days aspire to be a Mortified Adult...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by justathought View Post
                            Having started riding at 50, I am not nearly foolish enough to think that I will ever do a fossils over fences class... I do some days aspire to be a Mortified Adult...

                            HAHAHA! This is the funniest thing I've read all day! Thanks for that.
                            -Debbie / NH

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                            • #15
                              I just don't know why people would spend SO MUCH MORE money to do the AA rated shows to show over x-rails when you can go 15 minutes down the road to a local show and get the same expierence! Must be nice.
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                              • #16
                                I hate to be the voice of reason but if you go and look at the Garden State Horse show results you will find FORTY entries in the Meeper Jumpers - 2'3" to 2'6" and 11 in the A/O hunters younger and 6 in the older A/O hunters. These smaller divisions pay the bills, they allow the A/Os to walk away with the prize money.... I just don't know why people don't understand the business of it. People want to feel important, trainers want to be able to take all their clients and let's be honest, many times the folks who have the money CAN'T find the jumps or SHOULDN'T be jumping any higher. The point is those divisions are ALWAYS HUGE.... the regular divisions - not so much. Simple supply and demand, not a conspiracy to piss you off....

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by imapepper View Post
                                  I am going to apologize right up front for the rant. I was looking through a prize list that I just received for a show and was really shocked to see that it had a WTC crossrail division and a 2 ft division Are you kidding me? This is a prize list for 3 weeks of showing. 2 A shows and one AA show. How much more dumbed down does this sport need to get? If you are still doing crossrails, go to schooling shows. I know everyone needs to start somewhere and I am all for kids and beginner adults getting out and starting to show over the 2 ft and crossrail division. It's fun and good experience. But I don't think those classes belong in an A show...much less a AA show. There are plenty of local shows that have appropriate divisions for beginner riders and green horses. I think that A shows shouldn't really have anything lower than 3 ft.

                                  Does anyone else think it's ridiculous or is it just me?

                                  They need to pay for the show, so that you "upper class" folks can go too.
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                                  • #18
                                    In the area I live there is no small local show system anymore. It's big shows or nothing.

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                                    • #19
                                      I agree

                                      Originally posted by Queen Latisha View Post
                                      There's plenty of "A" shows that have x rails and 2' fences.
                                      I don't see what the big deal is, these classes fill and the show makes money.
                                      Why does it bother you that maybe a short stirrup kid, or a novice adult wants to show over smaller jumps.
                                      Multi day "A" shows are a great experience, for both horse and rider.
                                      Keeping the horse shows afloat is the main idea. What is the big deal if there are classes for cross rails or other classes at lower heights? I think it is a great addition for these higher quality shows to offer more options.

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                                      • #20
                                        I've never in my life been to (or heard of) an A or AA show w/ cross-rail or WTC divisions! What show is this?

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