• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Trainers at smaller show

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Trainers at smaller show

    A couple of weeks ago, I went to a show and something really bothered me. There is a trainer in the area who brought a few horses (as in 5 or 6). Most are very nice horses that happen to be for sale or in training with them. This trainer has the reputation of taking on expensive but difficult horses.

    Anyhow, the situation that bothered me wasn't that she had brought the horses or that Trainer was there. It was that Trainer spent a long, LONG time in the arena for several of her trips - as in if she didn't like a line, she would re-do it. Stop at the end, every time. Redo the line or do the next line. Etc. They also even came into hunter classes in a German martingale at least once that I saw - obviously not there for points or places as they would be disqualified for that alone. They were in the ring for way longer than anyone else, every time.

    As someone who shows on this local circuit and wants to do well, I can't figure out why they would waste all of our time. These trips took FOREVER. They weren't there for ribbons, places or year end awards (the horses aren't registered with the circuit). As it was, the show went to an obscene time with people showing after midnight the first night.

    I'm not sure if it was a show management issue, or if this is something that the circuit board should address. I've never seen this person do this before, but it did seem to be in bad taste. What do you think? The more I think about it, the less I like it. Is it just me, or should there be a difference between a schooling ring and a show ring, no matter how local the circuit?

  • #2
    Show management should have dealt with that.

    We run a series of non-rated shows - very local stuff - and we'd never tolerate that behavior.

    Originally Posted by JSwan
    I love feral children. They taste like chicken.


    • #3
      I think the trainer was probably there to school the horses over a show course and because it was a schooling show, she didn't really care about wasting time.

      Yes, she probably should have had more respect for everyone's time, but that's one of the risks you run at a schooling show.


      • #4
        I was talking to someone the other day at a show. They put on local c/t's and like she said if they say something to trainer than trainer won't come back to that show and that means they lose money. You guys will keep coming because you like the circuit. You can say something but that doesn't mean they will. This is why I love dressage and c/ts so much, you have a set time and if your not there then oh well you miss your go. Trainers can't say anything to you while you do your dressage test our your dqed no questions asked and when jumping they can't either. So nice. Good luck and I know it can be a pain, I went through it alot when I showed local hunters.
        Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole


        • #5
          I run schooling shows. We try to make them very flexible and even I would say something about this. If she wanted to school in the matter described, I might allow her, but I would limit her time in the arena to 2 minutes or so to keep things moving. This is what we do with the bigger classes...they are schooling only and you get XX amount of time in the ring and we really don't care what you do during that time.
          Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
          Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"


          • #6
            That's a show management issue! My barn runs a series of non-rated indoor shows & they are run just as well as any rated shows. They wouldn't tolerate that at all & if one trainer had an issue and was saying "well I won't come back then", my barn would probably open the door & say "don't let it hit you on the way out"!
            Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't Do It!


            • #7
              Originally posted by hAlter smalter View Post
              Anyhow, the situation that bothered me wasn't that she had brought the horses or that Trainer was there. It was that Trainer spent a long, LONG time in the arena for several of her trips - as in if she didn't like a line, she would re-do it. Stop at the end, every time. Redo the line or do the next line. Etc. ?
              That seems strange, as even at a schooling show, there should still be some type of rules for going off course to get the trainer out of the ring for that type of thing. If she wants to school her horses at a show, fine, but she shouldn't be allowed to run everyone behind while she does it. Show management should have a policy of eliminating the rider after the 2nd off course to discourage this type of misuse and keep things moving for the competitors who are there to SHOW. If I were a show manager, the last thing I would want is a reputation for letting things run so far behind schedule because I'm allowing something like that type of misuse.
              Lowly Farm Hand with Delusions of Barn Biddieom.
              Witherun Farm


              • #8
                I don't think I would want to go back to this one, personally.
                A proud friend of bar.ka.


                • #9
                  Yeah, been there seen that. If show management has an established relationship with another professional, they will allow this sort of thing. In other words, yes, her $$ is worth more to them. Her business is worth more to them, and yours ain't.

                  Myself, I am not too pleased with this BS, but I've spent some time myself getting banged about in the gallery with the unwashed masses waiting for a Local Demi-God to enjoy their private horse show schooling sessions. Irritating as all hell, not much you can do but complain, and then pack up and leave if they don't care about your complaints. If the LDG has 6 horses at the show, management probably can afford to lose you. And they ain't gonna cry much over it neither. Just another way that Horse Showing Sucks.


                  • #10
                    I show in a local circuit and there's nothing that bothers me more than people schooling their horses in the show ring. Pre-green, hopeful hunters, schooling your horse in those classes seems like it would make sense. Doing a 5 minute long warm up trip on all of your students horses in the long stirrup, that seems like it's going too far. I've ridden in the dark once before, because of people taking such long warm-up trips. I've noticed since that show the judges have been excusing people after the certain amount of refusals, even in the warm up trips. But sometimes the trainers wont get out of the ring! They just continue you on, like they don't mind wasting everyone else time, as long as their student's horse gets around those 8 baby jumps of death.


                    • #11
                      Announcer: "Thank you, rider."....... "THANK you, rider."...... "THANK YOU, rider." "Next horse on course, please....."
                      Seriously, the management needed to grow a pair and take care of that problem. Everybody pays the same amount of money to go in the ring, and the judge's time is valuable no matter who's in the ring.
                      That was just purely rude on the trainer's part.


                      • #12
                        This is a management problem and a judge problem. Seriously they could have put a stop to it. It's simple. 3 stops is a DQ, rejumping a jump is a DQ. Bye-Bye. "Thank you rider." If management won't do it, I'd be tempted to say something to the trainer myself, and LOUDLY close to the arena and as big a crowd as possible... but I'm older and outspoken. I'm actually surprised none of the other trainers at the show said any thing to her. She was wasting their time too.


                        • #13
                          There's one in every crowd, one at every show. I realize horses have to start someplace and a small show is perfect, however, you have your chance, do your job, leave the ring and let the next horse have a chance. You can't teach manners at a show, they have to arrive with them! I feel the same way when "trainers" stand on the rail schooling students at local shows. Do your schooling at home and save the ring for the horses and riders who are prepared to be competing that day ! It's rude.


                          • #14
                            If the trainer wanted to school over the show jumps, s/he should have arranged to have some private time in the ring after the show was over (or the day before or after) to avoid being so disrespectful and inconsiderate of the other show attendees. If s/he wanted the horse(s) to have the experience in the ring with the outside distractions, fine. But go in and do the course, THEN work on the problem areas after everyone else has gone home. I'm in the camp that thinks it was extremely rude.
                            Whoever said money can't buy happiness never owned a horse.