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  • color,color,color...educate me please!

    My trainer and I are having a bit of a difference in opinion in regards to the color of the new saddle and bridle I will be purchasing in the near future for our first show in the hunter/jumper rings.

    My filly is a petite 16h, mahoghany bay with tons of white and she looks silly with the orangey leather that most saddles seem to come in these days. I've been told that this color is the standard in the ring, and that dark browns and blacks are no-nos that judges frown on.

    Someone please educate me what is appropriate color wise for the show ring. This is my first experience with hunter/jumper shows, and I would like my girl to shine, not stick out like a sore thumb because we went with an ugly tobacco orange color on a pretty bay?

    Or is this a myth?

    Thanks!
    Crayola Posse~Aquamarine
    Love vs Money...for the love of my horse, I have no money!

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    Not sure what it's like in your area, but around here DARK saddles are the norm. Everyone I know who buys a saddle that first comes in that orangey color darkens it with darkening oil before riding / showing in it.


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    • #3
      Light brown, dark brown AND even black saddles are ok in the show ring.... Black is just not chosen very often for a hunter/jumper saddle. Which means that choosing a black saddle will make it very hard for you to resale it if that's what you want to do in the future.


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      • #4
        Orange only works on bright chestnuts, IMVHO, and even then a darker color still looks better.

        Dark Havana, mahogany (ie Black Country has an "oxblood" color), something of that nature, is much more appropriate.

        That's Hunters - tack should not stand out on the horse, IMHO.

        If you're doing Jumpers, you can much better get away with a more orange/lighter saddle on a darker horse. But still, to me, orange on dark just doesn't look good, regardless of whether it's legal

        There are PLENTY of dark, or will easily darken with a little oil, saddles out there, so there's zero need to "settle" for an orange one.
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        • #5
          Black isn't really done in the hunter ring, but dark brown is perfectly appropriate and very common. Most people feel like you do. I loved the lighter/orangish leather on my chestnut, but on the bay, not so much. Really really not so much. I needed a new saddle to fit him anyway, so got the Havanna brown.

          The good thing about the lighter/orangish is that it can be darkened with a good darkening oil. But it should be very easy to find a dark saddle, easier than to find the lighter ones, in fact (which should tell you something).
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          • #6
            I have never seen orange tack in the hunter ring. I think it looks weird and kind of like you couldn't be bothered to oil your tack.
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            • #7
              Orange vs. New Market

              The difference is worth pointing out.

              The intended color in these saddles is "New Market"-- a warm yellow/orange. In good quality leather, it takes oil or conditioner well and darkens really nicely.

              In poor quality leather-- one where the color looks painted on, the color is more orange. These saddles often never look as good as the New Market ones they are intended to mimick, in part because their tanning doesn't let them absorb oil as do better-tanned leathers.

              If you don't want to spend a great deal of money and color is important to you, it may work better to start with a darker saddle.
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              • #8
                Light brown is the most popular color in the hunter rings. Dark brown is the most prevalent color in the jumper rings.

                Black or orange, etc., are seen rarely, if at all.

                Light Brown/Medium Brown are basically the same color, depending on oiling. I doubt that I would want to start out with an orange saddle and hope it darkens enough.

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                • #9
                  Okay being brutally honest here - but if I saw you in the ring at a show be it hunter or jumper ring with Orange Tack I would think to myself that person obviously has no idea how to properly turn herself or her horse out.

                  So strip the wax off your new tack and oil it to darken it.

                  Some leathers will be different colors when oiled - that's different & that is okay but regardless it should not be Orange or stiff or shiney/slippery looking.

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                  • #10
                    I just had a discussion with H/J judge and trainer last night regarding bridle color. My saddle is still a bit caramel/orange so I was thinking about getting simular bridle (I personally like the color
                    So I was given a big NO-NO for anything orange, dark or mid brown is good and she said orange bridle would really stand out on any horse in a show ring. Not to the point of deduction points, but to the point of mild amuzement from judge's side.
                    She also said not to worry about matching bridle to the saddle as they do not care what color your saddle is as much as whether the bridle and its color compliments the horse.

                    I also have a bay horse and here is a pic of my ridiculously orange saddle (its been 3 years :O so if you do not want orange, do not start with it!) and brown bridle setup.
                    http://public.fotki.com/equusanya/first/img1891.html

                    She actually gave me a tip on how to darken it dramatically and quickly. I have been oiling it religiously all this time, and even though its darker then what we started with, its still orangy.
                    Anyhow, she told me to spray it with alchohol to the point of being dump, then cover with oil, set it outside under the sun, leave for 20 mins, and oil again. I will give it a try this weekend.

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                    • #11
                      The sun is glaring on the saddle a bit, but here's the orange saddle I had for my black horse a few years ago
                      http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

                      VERY comfy saddle, but between it being orange (and oiling was not darkening it) and being a full size too big for me, I just had to sell it.
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                        #12
                        Both the pictures aren't bad, but considering that my filly is a brighter, reddish mahoghany bay, the orangey lighter colored leathers would look horrific on her.

                        I really love the dark reddish brown color, but I guess a broken in saddle will look different than a new saddle too. Is havana the most popular leather color out there?
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                        • #13
                          Anything from mahogany to havana to dark brown is acceptable in the hunter ring. NOT light brown.

                          If you aren't certain about how dark it should be, look at the pictures of the BNT and their clients in the COTH advertisement pages.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Empressive Award View Post
                            Is havana the most popular leather color out there?
                            havana, chesnut, tabac... manufacturers like to give it different names, but it is really light brown and yes it is the most popular leather color because you can sort of "play" with the degree of brown. You can get it quite dark by intensive conditioning/oiling, or maintain it a light brown color by slightly condition it. Be careful however, over-oiling a saddle is not good so if you want it very dark, then order is as such! Conditioners or balms can be used without fear of damaging the saddle... not the case for oil!


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                            • #15
                              Some of the orange ones I've looked at just don't seem to have been oiled enough -- What's more important than the color of the tack you show in is that it be sufficiently broken in -- Oil, lederbalsam, roll flaps, and ride in it -- Make sure the saddle and reins have lost any slippery feeling before you show in them -- Make sure bridle pieces are soft so they don't cause rubs --

                              Also be careful not to overdue the oiling -- Everyone has different opinions as far as how much oil is too much -- I tend to think dipping a new bridle is o.k. -- Most will survive soaking in oil overnight although I don't soak overnight -- I have a friend who soaked an Arc de Triomphe for 3 days, and it became a slippery, oily mess -- She couldn't clean it enough to get that oil out, and the integrity of the leather is compromised when it's been saturated in oil to that extent --
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by MILOUTE55 View Post
                                havana, chesnut, tabac... manufacturers like to give it different names, but it is really light brown and yes it is the most popular leather color because you can sort of "play" with the degree of brown. You can get it quite dark by intensive conditioning/oiling, or maintain it a light brown color by slightly condition it. Be careful however, over-oiling a saddle is not good so if you want it very dark, then order is as such! Conditioners or balms can be used without fear of damaging the saddle... not the case for oil!
                                I agree. If you order a saddle in light brown, it will oil to a rich brown color. If you order a saddle that starts out orange or newmarket, etc., I don't believe that it will ever achieve the rich brown color that looks good in the hunter ring.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Empressive Award View Post
                                  Both the pictures aren't bad, but considering that my filly is a brighter, reddish mahoghany bay, the orangey lighter colored leathers would look horrific on her.

                                  I really love the dark reddish brown color, but I guess a broken in saddle will look different than a new saddle too. Is havana the most popular leather color out there?
                                  Tack should complete the picture for a hunter, not stand out. Dark brown is the most popular saddle for jumpers, but the saddles in the hunter ring aren't all that much lighter. Definately stay away from black, but don't go too light either.

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                                  • #18
                                    UGH to anything orange. Dark brown only. It is absolutely NOT a no-no.

                                    Most of the lighter colors only detract. Skip the black, but DEFINITELY skip the orange. It looks cheap.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Trixie View Post
                                      UGH to anything orange. Dark brown only. It is absolutely NOT a no-no.

                                      Most of the lighter colors only detract. Skip the black, but DEFINITELY skip the orange. It looks cheap.
                                      I agree. I do not like the look of the orangey leather, and think that it looks uncared for (whether or not this is the case), as saddles often come in an orangey color BEFORE they are oiled and well maintained. That is just my personal opinion, but I would run away from an orange saddle.

                                      Try to find a happy medium--black is not too common in the hunter/jumper rings, and a dark, rich brown seems to be in.

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                                      • #20
                                        Find me a judge that will actually pin you lower because your tack is the wrong color. As long as you look neat and conservative (i.e. the orange saddle that Sharon White rides in would be a no-no) they won't care.

                                        Get the color you want. It's your money.

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