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    I'm looking for some help determining a reasonable price (for both parties) on a pony. 5yr old medium pony. Very nice mover and is fancy. Will jump a course no problem and has auto changes. Wont pass a vet check (arthritis), but is sound with no soundness issues to date. The pony has not been shown. What do you think would be a reasonable price in this economy?

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    Where are you? There is a good bit of regional variation in terms of what people seem to be paying.

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      5 years old and already has enough arthritis that it won't pass the ppe? That would REALLY take a bite out if it, especially in this economy.

      I don't know a TON about ponies, but I know what I would think if this were a horse. Unless it is really fancy or an AMAZING kid's pony, I really wouldn't think you'd get more than a few thousand.

      There are a lot of nice green ponies out there that aren't going to fail the ppe.

      But I could be wrong. I don't know pony pricing that well.
      Originally posted by tidy rabbit
      Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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        #4
        We are on the East Coast. Its not our pony, just trying to get pricing ideas on what would be reasonable for a pony like this.

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        • #5
          Lease the pony. You will make more money leasing it each year then selling it for a very low price due to the fact that it won't pass the vet. Ponies are very lease-able since kids grow out of them.
          Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by luvs2ridewbs View Post
            Lease the pony. You will make more money leasing it each year then selling it for a very low price due to the fact that it won't pass the vet. Ponies are very lease-able since kids grow out of them.
            I agree completely. You could make as much per year as I think you could sell this pony for outright.
            Originally posted by tidy rabbit
            Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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              #7
              Evidently the pony has arthritic changes and has failed several PPE because of it. The pony is a super fancy little thing and will pack around kids, but not a rank beginner (just learning to steer, stop etc). I am just trying to get an idea of what would be a reasonable offer on a pony like this.
              Last edited by fp; Apr. 14, 2009, 01:07 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fp View Post
                Evidently the pony has arthritic changes and has failed several PPE because of it. The pony is a super fancy little thing and will pack around kids, but in no way is a beginners pony. I am just trying to get an idea of what would be a reasonable offer on a pony like this.
                As the other people have said leasing is your best option but if you need to sell I would probably price it at $2-5K. That arthritis at 5 is kind of a big deal...

                If you're looking to buy the pony I would honestly stay away from it...the arthritis will only get worse down the road and you may not be able to sell him again. Maybe ask if they would be open to a lease.

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                • #9
                  I agree with everyone else that the owners should try and lease the pony. If you have a competitive local circuit in the area then this pony could be marketed to kids that ride pony hunters in that circuit.

                  As a parent that had a medium pony for a number of years that we bought green, I know that the only way to sell one in this economy is for it to be a packer with auto changes and will pass the ppe.

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                  • #10
                    I think 2,500 is accurate, but the person better have a place to retire it if it is no longer sound. Ponies live a long time. As a pony mom I probably wouldn't pay much if anything to lease a young green arthritic pony when right now people are trying to free lease very very nice ponies all over the place just to get the bills paid.

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                    • #11
                      Please don't do the local circuit this &quot;favor&quot;

                      Yes, peeps showing on the local circuit want/need/expect a lower price tag on a pony.

                      But a 5 year-old who won't pass a PPE with arthritic changes, is not a beginner's ride and hasn't yet been shown? Kind of an unknown quantity.

                      So if the poster's advice to market sell (not lease) to someone in the local circuit is taken, small timers: CAVEAT EMPTOR.

                      Those who don't want to pay lots up front also won't/can't put lots of $$ into maintenance.

                      It might serve this pony well to not live on a full-time circuit. But less work that comes with a less well-off or treatment-savvy home won't serve him well either.

                      I do hope parents looking for a nice pony and some modest showing for their kid that won't break the bank will still takes this as a "heads up" to insist in a PPE and to ask for the lease option that might work out better and be more common in the rated show world.
                      The armchair saddler
                      Politically Pro-Cat

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                      • #12
                        Leasing is your best option.

                        However, taking a few things into consideration... a responsible owner will make sure that a pony that has some predisposed issues (in this case, arthritis) is maintained for the long haul.

                        If it were my pony, I'd attempt to lease the pony for $300-350/month. If it's a good pony and an intermediate child can learn alot on it... or a trainer can use it for intermediate to advanced kids... than it will be worth it's weight in gold. Auto changes and an honest jumper will make it attractive. Where is the arthritis? Can it be somewhat alleviated with some sort of injections? If that was the case, as owner, I would set aside the $$$ to make sure the pony was injected once or twice a year (according to vet recommendations and usage of pony). Spending about $500 a year to make sure your pony holds up for the long haul is a "sound investment"---pun intended.

                        There are plenty of top ponies out there that will flunk the vet on 3 out of 4 legs and still go for $$$$. Remember, safety of child is usually paramount... so parents will sometimes assume some maintenance or will accept a flaw here and there, if the trainer thinks the kid is the right fit. Plus, with leasing, there's always the option of handing pony back and washing their hands of the deal.

                        Do your homework... or encourage the parents to do theirs... and base your decision on what the vet suggests... ask them if they think the pony will hold up with a minimal maintenance plan... how much they think the pony can do before it will break down (i.e. bc of age, can pony march around a 2'6 pony hunter course for years... or will the arthritis likely make it difficult for the pony to do more than hop around some crossrails?). They may not have the answers... but it doesn't hurt to ask.

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                        • #13
                          There are tons of Green Medium Ponies out there sitting with no action WITH show experience and ribbons.

                          I just am surprised anybody thinks somebody would pay to lease an unshown, no record at all, never set foot in the show ring 5 yo Medium with arthritis to the point a vet would likely recommend against purchase.

                          I mean, they'd be paying the seller/owner money to lease and then have to put money into finishing the training and getting it into the ring...then give it back after it's finished? Nobody is going to pay 300 or 400 a month for that "privilege" on a Medium that has to have a small child rider.

                          And how big is it? Does it have a card? Or have you only measured it at home? If it's 12.1 3/4 it's going to be more marketable then 11.3 and, again, that's because it needs the smaller rider.

                          Small and Medium Pony shoppers are looking for top of the line (max height) packers that have proven they can pack the proper size and age child in the show ring and get them a prize.

                          Children's Pony and Short Stirrup, the height is not that important but a proven record of safely packing the little ones around a course is.

                          Personally, anything with arthritis to the point it would put off a PPE vet at age 5 having never even been in a regular lesson and show program is a huge red light for purchase and the total lack of show experience is not going to get you anything as a lease Pony.

                          So what's it worth? Not much unless you can get it into the show ring.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                            #14
                            I guess I should give more info. I am looking to purchase this pony for my daughter. We are not a wealthy home, but can certainly afford whatever maintenance the pony would require (I already have one horse with soundness issues I maintain). We leased this pony for a year and my daughter showed him on a local circuit w/t while we had him. No over fences showing, so I guess I should have been more clear in my original post but I'm at work so was rushing. My daughter w/t/c and jumped him in her lessons on him while we leased him and he was good for her. I dont believe he would be good for a rank beginner, but was good for my daughter (who is in SS now) with regular tune up rides. We got very attached to this pony during the course of our lease as he is sweet and personable, plus they worked well together.

                            My intentions are not to buy a pony with the hopes of selling it for profit, but rather a nice pony that she could comepete on locally that wasnt an arm and a leg. I live in an area where ponies are insanely priced and EVERYTHING is marketed as a hunter pony. I just want an idea from people in the business on what would be a fair market price for both us and his owners. My husband (who is not horsey) gave me a number which is in line with what I'm reading here.

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                            • #15
                              If you are willing to do the upkeep AND you are willing to accept the fact that the pony might be un-ridable in a few years due to arthritic degeneration, than I suppose this might be the pony for you. I wouldn't pay very much for it at all though...
                              Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                              Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                              • #16
                                I think the pony purchase wouldn't be the end of the world if you were looking under 5k. Just for future reference a SS rider is generally considered "beginner" so when you say a "beginner" couldn't ride it, most people think only a good kid already doing the pony divisions could do it. If it's easy enough and your daughter loves it and the price is right considering the arthritis - go for it. Just be aware that you're probably not going to be able to resell the pony and will probably give it to someone as a companion pony when your daughter is done with it. It could hold up though, you never know - stranger things have happened, then maybe you could lease it out afterwards as long as it's not hurting the pony. It doesn't look like you're looking for something to jump into the mediums with and it sounds like it could take her from ss to maybe the childrens if it has no problems now and by then she'll probably need a large/horse anyways.

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                                • #17
                                  Under 5 for sure...maybe all the way to 2500.

                                  It's just not the kind of Pony that will sell (or lease) unless it's a special situation.

                                  While it sounds like this may be a good situation for the Pony...how will this child feel if it does not hold up for Jumping? What will you do when she grows out of it in 2 years? Keep it forever? And can you get her another mount AND keep this one or do you need to sell or lease this one to get her onto something else when the time comes? Or will she just quit if this one breaks or her feet start dragging the ground?

                                  I am in a barn that deals extensively with Ponies and it's a tough market out there even for high quality, sound, proven animals. This Pony is not worth that much and has some issues that won't go away. Make a low offer and if they don't take it? Look elsewhere.

                                  Remember, if you are on a budget, the costs of upkeep are the same. And if DD wants to continue to advance as a rider, this Pony is a dead end with that arthritis at age 5 doing W/T. It cannot grow with her as she advances past the 2' fences assuming it holds up there.

                                  Just give it some thought. Especially if they want more then it's worth in this market.
                                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                  The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    #18
                                    You are right in that description on beginners and I apologize for terming it that way. I still consider my daughter a beginner, but was thinking more along the lines of a kid who doesnt even know the basics. The thing for me is the owners are wanting to recoup their investment I guess and asking a price that is a bit high. I am new to hunters so I was not sure if the price was reasonable given his issue (he is sound now - no lameness- with no maintenance at the moment). Now if lets say someone was buying him with the intentions on showing him in the Medium division now (he's 13h measured with a stick), as he is capable with a kid that can, would that make him worth more to you? I believe they have been marketing him as a division pony. I dont honestly think they will take an offer in the range you all are giving, but at least it give me an idea of what is realistic.

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                                    • #19
                                      I don't think I'd jump into this one. I understand your daughter loves Pony, and know how that goes. HOWEVER, I agree with others - how is she going to feel when Pony isn't sound enough to jump in a year or two.

                                      Have you had a PPE already? X-rays? How do you know he has arthritis? Can you get the x-rays from the other PPEs and share with your vet to get their opinion? If you have your heart set on him, visit with the vet about what it will take to maintain this pony.

                                      You also don't mention how old or tall your daughter is. Will the pony last her more than a year or so? Is he a big medium or a small medium?

                                      All that said, as a mother of a little person, having a pony who you trust with your daughter means a lot. An awful lot.
                                      A proud friend of bar.ka.

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                                        So in your opinion he would not be able to take her very far as she advances? I realize arthritis is a problem that will get worse with time, but is he really that much of a risk if he is on nothing to maintain it and shows no soundness problems now? I am definitely thinking this through, which is why all the question.

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