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  • Magazines for those who actively show...or has PH really dummied down???

    I thought it was just me until I noticed another poster remarking on the change at PH.
    I used to look forward to the useful tid bits and hints every month. Now the content is drifting toward the novice rider and first horse owners.
    Now review and basics ARE important and beginners and non horse owners need a place to get information too I don't mean to suggest otherwise.

    But those of us who show liked having a nice colorful monthly with leading show H/J riders, news (late but still pertinent) including show reports as well as all kinds of clearly communicated excercises to keep us motivated. Even trainers used to take some lesson drills out of the magazine to incorporate into advanced over fences lessons. Sadly it's been some time since I could read the magazine and know what was in store at lessons.
    Now the issues are slanted to serve the fast growing novice market with basic horse care articles and most of the training devoted to this level of riding. Sadly this must be where the ad revenues are directing them.
    The monthly covor story, like this month's Anne Kusinski turning excercise, takes up only a few pages and leads to another comment.....Would whoever transcribes or edits these pro interviews stop making every month's sound exactly the same?? Nothing at all of each pro's style is remaining in these, no more "what makes them different". The style is exactly the same as the adult beginner article, the Get Straight article, and the intraining piece on rubbing. Not naive I realize somebody needs to write the stuff based on pro feedback and interviews but it did not used to be this noticeable.
    It did not used to all be aimed at the novice either.
    My biggest complaint is that I cannot understand the remaining advanced ones anymore...and I agree with other posters that the diagram on page 55 is wrong according to the text on page 58 as the figure 8 exercise is changed...whoever wrote this did themore common exercise they were familiar with not the unusual variation as described by Ms Kursinski.

    For those of us who really show and have been in horses for awhile there is little of interest here anymore. I will miss the GM column but not the every couple of months tirade of letters saying he is "wrong" and "mean" PH feels are more important to print then the old style PH which would use the space for another piece for the active competition rider. One we could understand and which captured their style.

    Too bad but when my subsciption (since 94) expires I won't renew.
    Good old COTH will be the sole remaining monthly.

    err.. of course I mean weekly, only magazine of any kind.

    A good reputation taking thousands of years to build can be destroyed in a few hours.

    [This message was edited by findeight on Mar. 04, 2002 at 12:28 PM.]
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  • Original Poster

    #2
    I thought it was just me until I noticed another poster remarking on the change at PH.
    I used to look forward to the useful tid bits and hints every month. Now the content is drifting toward the novice rider and first horse owners.
    Now review and basics ARE important and beginners and non horse owners need a place to get information too I don't mean to suggest otherwise.

    But those of us who show liked having a nice colorful monthly with leading show H/J riders, news (late but still pertinent) including show reports as well as all kinds of clearly communicated excercises to keep us motivated. Even trainers used to take some lesson drills out of the magazine to incorporate into advanced over fences lessons. Sadly it's been some time since I could read the magazine and know what was in store at lessons.
    Now the issues are slanted to serve the fast growing novice market with basic horse care articles and most of the training devoted to this level of riding. Sadly this must be where the ad revenues are directing them.
    The monthly covor story, like this month's Anne Kusinski turning excercise, takes up only a few pages and leads to another comment.....Would whoever transcribes or edits these pro interviews stop making every month's sound exactly the same?? Nothing at all of each pro's style is remaining in these, no more "what makes them different". The style is exactly the same as the adult beginner article, the Get Straight article, and the intraining piece on rubbing. Not naive I realize somebody needs to write the stuff based on pro feedback and interviews but it did not used to be this noticeable.
    It did not used to all be aimed at the novice either.
    My biggest complaint is that I cannot understand the remaining advanced ones anymore...and I agree with other posters that the diagram on page 55 is wrong according to the text on page 58 as the figure 8 exercise is changed...whoever wrote this did themore common exercise they were familiar with not the unusual variation as described by Ms Kursinski.

    For those of us who really show and have been in horses for awhile there is little of interest here anymore. I will miss the GM column but not the every couple of months tirade of letters saying he is "wrong" and "mean" PH feels are more important to print then the old style PH which would use the space for another piece for the active competition rider. One we could understand and which captured their style.

    Too bad but when my subsciption (since 94) expires I won't renew.
    Good old COTH will be the sole remaining monthly.

    err.. of course I mean weekly, only magazine of any kind.

    A good reputation taking thousands of years to build can be destroyed in a few hours.

    [This message was edited by findeight on Mar. 04, 2002 at 12:28 PM.]
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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    • #3
      I wonder if COTH has thought about picking up some articles that are more training oriented, to pick up subscription sales? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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      • #4
        I have been thinking the same thing about PH for the last several months FindEight. I no longer find the training articles interesting as they are almost too basic.

        And you are dead on about the similarity of all the training articles. The do all sound the same - maybe the equestrian who wrote the article do not get a final look at it before printing, and its just the ghost writer who finishes it up.

        However, I still really like the Thinking Horseman editorial each month and the focus articles on individual riders. They are usually still very good. I enjoy reading about how other people have suceeded in our sports [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

        They did the same thing with "Dressage and CT" magazine a few years ago, which used to be quite technical and in-depth, and a very very good read, but the PH bought it out (or the distributor) and dumbed it down so it is basically the same as PH now. :-/

        I wish someone would do a magazine that was aimed more at the intermediate level rider who is also interested in more advanced riding. Both Horse International and Eventing are good examples of ones that provide more in-depth articles and interviews.
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        • #5
          I actually like some of the basic horse care articles, such as what to do when your horse gets kicked and basic first aid things.

          I think the BAR (Beginning adult rider) section is boring because I am not a beginner, or an adult. LOL

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          • #6
            The articles by Beezie Madden, Todd Minikus, Louise Serio, and Scott Hofstetter about what to do when certain things (chip, loose a sturrip) are vert good.

            I would not like to see show results in PH. That is what the Chronicle is for.

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            • #7
              I agree that PH is not as good as before, but there is another mag that is better, but probably not for you guys.

              It is an Ontario circuit mag called the Corinthian, gives all the results and all that good stuff. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                I let my PH subscription run out after they started in with all the articles aimed at the beginner/first timer/returning-after-20-year- sabbatical type. Adds absolutely no value for me... just 30 pages I have to turn before I get to George Morris.

                They make a magazine for the people described above... it is called "Horse Illustrated." [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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                • #9
                  Blech. I just got my first issue after a 4 year hiatus.

                  I won't renew.

                  I treasure the PHs I have from the late 70s, early 80s to mid-90s. Wonderful, practical articles with exercises you can actually do and learn from. I used to also enjoy the articles like how Francesca Mazella won the Medal and Maclay, and Geoff Teal's experiences with the Jacobs family. Do they still ride by the way?

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                    #10
                    As I said no knock on beginners. But go back and read the other pro articles and they all sound the same from month to month. And by show reports I mean interviews with leading riders (not results) like "well Ms Goldstein-Engle what do you think of your new 6 year old and his High Prelim win"
                    Even though I have a full time trainer to tell me about lost stirrups and chips she still used to get some great exercises or insight out of PH that are not there anymore.

                    I am solely speaking as a long time owner and competitor who sadly doesn't read much of this anymore.

                    Must say read a Horse and Rider the other day...same old same old... No more good advanced stuff, just identical stuff to PH on trailers, shots and winter blankets. One badly written and confusing piece by a leading reiner that sounded the same as the others.

                    Can't somebody combine advanced interests into their magazine with the novice stuff????????

                    A good reputation taking thousands of years to build can be destroyed in a few hours.
                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                    • #11
                      I've felt that way re: PH for years now. It might be nice to have a really fresh training magazine, but I wonder what the market appeal would be? I can see why PH has gone the way they have, and I love the shiney photos and the (obvious) re-affirmation that certain techniques and exercises will always be 'right', but it does lack the technical.
                      HEY! Maybe we need a Technical Horseman instead (or alongside) a Practical Horseman!! Also remember, these magazines are published from a group, not necessarily by core of horsey professionals.

                      PS- ELMO !!!! WHAT?! Is the Corinthian still around??? Do they have a Website?? BossHoss NEEDS a subscription!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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                      • #12
                        Findeight, I couldn't agree with you more. Lately when I receive the magazine, I thumb through, only to find a bunch of articles that make me think I am back to reading Equus (that is full of articles having to do with horse care, trailering, etc.). Yes, there is a need for magazines like Equus, but I don't want it...that's why I let my subscription to that magazine lapse. I started reading PH because I liked the technical articles. Now, like you said, it seems very focused on novice horse owners, and I have no interest in most of the articles.

                        I don't think I will renew my subscription when it comes due either.

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                        • #13
                          Agree with the above. I can remember WAY back when PH used to be the Pennsylvania Horse. As MargaretF said, many good "inside" articles, stories on the old Winter Place Farm, Jimmy Lee, Patty Heuckeroth. Even the articles with top pros are now geared to the novice rider.

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                          • #14
                            Sadly, I also agree. The articles I enjoy most now are those increasingly rare ones where the top trainers give their impressions of what's right and wrong about horse shows these days and what might be done to change them.

                            I was talking to Geoff Teall in Florida. He writes occasionally for PH and has an article on judging coming out sometime soon. He said he does all his own writing, then an editor at the magazine "cleans it up" and does a bit of rewriting. The copy is then shipped back to him for his approval. If he thinks they've changed things too much, he simply changes it back. I do think he is one pro, writing for PH, whose own voice really shines through.
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                            • #15
                              I'm still very much at the point where I can get valuable tips from PH. However, after only 2 and half years of riding, I can already see the point at which the format will have limited utility even to me.

                              I enjoy reading more detailed and advanced advice/descriptions even if it'll be years before I can use them. I think there is value in understanding advanced concepts before one actually gets to that point in his/her riding.

                              You can put me in the adult beginner category that wants more articles for advanced riders.

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                                #16
                                And that is a great point about exposing novices to the upper levels.
                                When I was still knocking around bareback in a backyard the neighbor boy won the (then) AHSA Stock Seat Medal Finals, other neighbors had Arabs and Morgans and I was exposed to their show circuit. Without that exposure I would never have moved up the levels.
                                If a magazine could provide the novice with info pertinent to them plus entertain more advanced riders with stories about leading horse/rider combos and training theories they would have lifetime subscribers.....funny I let my subsciption to Equus go for the same reason.

                                A good reputation taking thousands of years to build can be destroyed in a few hours.
                                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                                • #17
                                  Unfortunately it all comes down to basic demographics. Right now the biggest equestrian market in both consumers and readers is the adult amateur/mid-novice level horse owner. The advertisers want to put their ads in the mags that reach their biggest market, and ads are primarily what pay most any magazine's bills.

                                  There have been a couple of start-up magazines that were aimed at an upper level competitor. The articles were composed mainly of interviews with international level riders. I know, I wrote for them! And guess what? High praise, good feedback, but low subscriptions and low ads. So the magazines died. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

                                  Think of it like starting up a new TV series. It doesn't matter much who watches it, or what the critics think. It's HOW MANY people watch it.

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                                  • #18
                                    Count me among those who truly dislike what's happened with horse mags. Since Primedia bought most of them, the similarities and lack of depth is awful!
                                    Geoff Teal's article was a rare glimpse of something that had a spark of originality -- the rest are just the same flavor. Sad, but true.

                                    One magazine that I do still like is Hunter and SportHorse. It's only bi-monthly, but some of the articles do seem to have more of interest to someone who is more intermediate/advanced and wants to hear other ideas and approaches.

                                    But other than that one, I don't know of anything else. I wonder if a mass letter-writing campaign might help get PH to refocus a bit?

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                                    • #19
                                      Although I no longer subscribe to PH for the above reasons, they still have good articles from time to time. The recent two-parter by Katie Prudent was good and the one in this month's issue by Anne Kursinski. For the most part both articles contained exercises I have seen and/or done before, but it never hurts to do them again or to read their explanations of what you are trying to get from the exercise, troubleshooting tips, etc. So although I no longer subscribe, I check out each month's issue to see if it is worth buying, as sometimes it is.
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                                      • #20
                                        I've had a subscription since it was Midwest Hunter and was free. I keep wishing it was monthly, but I'm not sure I could stand more than one "stallion issue" per year. (They ought to laminate that one before they send it. My friends and I spend so much time drooling over the stallions -- and all of us own geldings -- that it's a real mess by the time we're done!)

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