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  • George Morris....

    Ok you guys are gonna find this really offensive but i have to speak my mind...

    My friend and I are always like UP HIS KNEES ARENT SQUARE AKA BAD HORSE, so says georgey boy. I cant stand the fact that hes so picky about EVERYTHING. i mean i bet old george over there has one ear larger than the other, now does that make him a bad person??? i sure hope not! but to get to my point, he is so judgemental on everything. i mean kids send him in their pictures and you have to be insane to do that b/c he HARDLY says anything < !> nic abou tthe horse except, good turn out nice horse...<i mean how over used!!> but you are taking a trip to hell and back if you send him yourpic... i dont have a splendid position over the fences but all i care about is that i GET over the fence... thus is why i dont like unters cause its someoens opinion WHAT IF I DONT WANT OL' GEORGES OPINION, i am quite happy with myself!! well now thats off my shoulders, any one care to add?

    Corie Corie
    Not all men are annoying... some are dead
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    Ok you guys are gonna find this really offensive but i have to speak my mind...

    My friend and I are always like UP HIS KNEES ARENT SQUARE AKA BAD HORSE, so says georgey boy. I cant stand the fact that hes so picky about EVERYTHING. i mean i bet old george over there has one ear larger than the other, now does that make him a bad person??? i sure hope not! but to get to my point, he is so judgemental on everything. i mean kids send him in their pictures and you have to be insane to do that b/c he HARDLY says anything < !> nic abou tthe horse except, good turn out nice horse...<i mean how over used!!> but you are taking a trip to hell and back if you send him yourpic... i dont have a splendid position over the fences but all i care about is that i GET over the fence... thus is why i dont like unters cause its someoens opinion WHAT IF I DONT WANT OL' GEORGES OPINION, i am quite happy with myself!! well now thats off my shoulders, any one care to add?

    Corie Corie
    Not all men are annoying... some are dead

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    • #3
      If you want nice comments about your picture, show it to your mother or your best friend.

      People presumably send in their picture because they WANT TO KNOW what they should be working on. If you don't WANT to know what you are doing wrong/what you could be doing better, don't send in your picture.

      That is the same reason I took the GM clinic, because I WANTED to know what I was doing wrong, what I need to work on. And he told me.

      If he HADN'T told me what I needed to do differently, I wouldn't have felt I got my money's worth.
      Janet

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      • #4
        It's fine that you don't want GM's opinion about your riding, but I can't believe that you think that rider position has no importance in how you and the horse do over fences. I'm not talking about perfect show ring equitation, but there are certain aspects of equitation that make it easier for the horse to jump. GM often points out how the rider's position (hands, seat, legs, etc.) impact the horse's jump. I don't agree with his nitpicking on saddle pads, tack color, rider's weight, etc., but his comments on the important stuff does make a difference.

        By the way, please proofread your text before you post it. You have so many typos that you come across as someone on a rant (not to mention that your post is hard to understand).
        People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... timey wimey... stuff.

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        • #5
          What are you talking about? Did you pay him for a clinic? Send your picture in for critique to Practical Horseman?
          Most do pay him (rather well) for his opinion as the youngest Medal Finals winner and an Olympian.
          It is your right to have an opinion but most of us do not want to just "get over the fence" we want to get to the next one too.
          In other words he is one of the premiere coaches and coaches our international riders. If you do not want his opinion then do not pay for it or submit a picture.
          But do not critisize those of us who do value his opinion and pay for it as he is the best of the best for riders that want to be the best in upper level competition.
          You might want to read this weeks Chronicle commentary, available on line at this web site.

          Oh my did I just feed a Troll?? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

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          • #6
            but honestly thats George he doesn't feel the need to sugar coat his opinions because he is who he is. 99% of the horse world knows how he is and those that want his opinion are ready for his personality. He is considered the master .
            Brilyntrip

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            • #7
              The only time I have ever had a problem with GM is when he has criticized riders for weight problems they did not appear to have. And I actually wrote in a letter about it to PH that got published in its entirety.

              But everything else: he's right on. There's only so much you can tell from a picture, but I think he does pretty damn good. I mean, come on, most people obviously don't send him pictures to get lavishing praise. And even if they did do it for that reason, it makes no difference to George. Either it's right or it's wrong.

              Coming from the eventer world, I cringe when I see pics of bad eq (this includes the posed and perched pics). A good position not only looks so much better, it is more SAFE and more EFFECTIVE. I don't know anything about what level of rider you are, but I think I can safely say you should NOT be satisfied with just getting over the fence.

              Why do I get the feeling my reaction (and probably everyone else's too) is just what you were hoping for? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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              • #8
                Although I have never ridden in one of his clinics or witnessed the guy in person, Old Georgie seems to be an old school perfectionist. While the average person can only mention a few flaws, George seems to pick out the majority of them and has no shame in pointing them out to you. For someone like me pointing out the numerous things I did wrong would make me want to work to improve myself rather than dwell in the compliments someone gave me. He is an ass so that you want to improve yourself in the bast way he knows how. This is pretty much the way I think but I am no nearly as critical as George. If you don't wish to improve or don't want to hear the answer then don't ask for opinions.

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                • #9
                  Isn't this a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing? If you don't want his opinion, don't ask for it. He won't seek you out to tell you.

                  It's kind of unfair for you to generalize an entire discipline on opinions, because most of those opinions are backed by some kind of solid foundation of what works and what doesn't. If you don't like it, that's fine. You can ride however you want to, it doesn't really have any impact on hunters as a whole.
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                  They're small hearts.

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                  • #10
                    If you don't want his opinion, don't ask for it, and don't read his column. What a shame that all you want to do is get over jumps, with no regard for style, safety, and your poor horse's comfort. It's even more of a shame that you have absolutely no respect for the one of the top trainers in the country. Has it occurred to you that perhaps he nit-picks for a reason? Little things, like a horse's knees being uneven, or using a colored saddle pad to show in, really do make a difference in top competition. And that's what he assumes you aspire to if you take a lesson or clinic or send him a photo. He wants your personal best. He didn't get to be one of the very best trainers and riders by overlooking little details! Weight comments? Somehow I don't think they are ever meant to be personal. He feels that to ride well, a rider must be fit. That fitness and weight don't necessarily equate is something that perhaps only women can understand! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] But you had better believe that if you want GM's opinion, you are going to get it flat-out and brutally honest. And if you really seek to improve your riding, that's the way you'll want it.

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                    • #11
                      Sheesh, you see some pics of horses hanging knees and jumping flat and looking scruffy, and you want a pat on the back? I have YET to see a pic of a rider over a jump higher than 3' in PH. Most of the riders seem to be in the intermediate category and are only jumping about 2'6.

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                      • #12
                        Pracitcal Horseman pays George to produce his monthly "jumping clinic", because, one might reasonably infer, the readers of Practical Horseman enjoy and/or find some value in reading it. If the column weren't perennially pleasing to the majority of subscribers, they'd drop it (as they've done with other features in the past).

                        Certainly, you're entitled to your opinion, but regardless of whether you like GM as a trainer/man/clinician or not (if you do, in fact, have a basis for judgement on any of these scores), he's obviously doing something right, as he his business flourishing on several different fronts.

                        To change the subject a bit-- does anyone have any information on the Hunterdon clinic this month in Lake Forest, IL? Where is it being held, and must one pay as an "audit" in order to watch the mounted portions?

                        Thanks for the info.

                        LML
                        "With mirth and laughter, let old wrinkles come" (Shakespeare).

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                        • #13
                          Actually, I find there is at least one pic of a fence 2'9" or higher. This month there is a photo of someone from the Hamptoms I believe? But anyways, a big fat DITTO to what everyone else said.

                          It is fine that you are satisfied with "just getting over the fence", however, there are some of us out there that strive for more. We want to look "GM" perfect over fences. And I tell you what- I would PEE MY PANTS if I were in one of those few photos when he writes "I wouldn't mind trying out this little horse for myself." What a COMPLIMENT!

                          *Jenno*
                          "The man who makes no mistakes lacks boldness and the spirit of adventure. He is the one who never tries anything. His is the brake on the wheel of progress. And yet it cannot be truly said he makes no mistakes, because his biggest mistake is the very fact that he tries nothing, does nothing, except criticize those who do things." David S.
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                          • #14
                            You can find info on the clinic at our trainer's website:

                            http://www.dianecarneytelluride.com

                            I will be there all three days as my daughter is riding in the Preliminary Jumper (3'6 - 4'3") section. There are three sections - Big Eq 3'6" from 9 - 11/ Preliminary Jumper (3'6 - 4'3") from 11 - 1; then a lunch break and the Open section (4' 3 and WAAAAY up!) from 3-5. I believe it is $65 a day at the door to audit. Sometimes the sections run a little long but he tries to stay pretty close to a schedule. The fences don't usually get really high until the last day. The first two days he does a lot of gymnastic exercises and accuracy exercises plus tons of flatwork - including sometimes an hour or more without stirrups. George is always an interesting clinician and a smart auditor will come away with a lot of very technical info as well as a great deal of practical observations.
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                            • #15
                              Pony, that's really funny. I moved from Charleston to KY and ride with one of Diane Carney's old students and will be borrowing a horse that was in her barn for a while to do jumpers this spring. (if all goes my way)Never met the woman myself but heard much about her.

                              marion

                              "Gypsy gold does not chink and glitter. It gleams in the sun and neighs in the dark."
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                              marion


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                              • #16
                                Are you kidding? You do know who Gm is right? I'd pay the money to have my butt sniped at, even though no, my turnout is usually not perfect, my horse has horrible knees that would be considered dangerous except that he always clears the fences, he has a big bascule that I can't ride without ducking past 3 feet, I am not a perfect Eq rider (though I do hold my own) and will probably never ride at a place like INdio. I would pay a large hunk of my salary for his opinion, just to say that I've had it. The man is a legend. If you don't get that, or don't care or even don't agree well then, just don't send in a pic.
                                You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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                                • #17
                                  And he is brilliant and fabulous.

                                  I was just this evening reading an olde article I recieved yesterday about the 1991 Grand Prix of Aachen, won by Starman and ridden by Anne Kursinski the second woman and second American to win the Grand Prix of Aachen. Her coach was George Morris, he told her how to ride a certain fence in the middle of the course. She did exactly as he told her and Starman won!!

                                  In the article George stated that he may be too olde to ride and win in Grand Prix's anymore, but he can still tell someone else how to win it.
                                  I don't take that as boasting but as someone I would love tell me how to ride a course [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

                                  Make the most of all these riders/trainers from that era, because when they are gone we will mourn the loss.
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                                  • #18
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ObiliviousJumper87:
                                    Ok you guys are gonna find this really offensive but i have to speak my mind...
                                    <snip>
                                    i dont have a splendid position over the fences but all i care about is that i GET over the fence... thus is why i dont like unters cause its someoens opinion WHAT IF I DONT WANT OL' GEORGES OPINION, i am quite happy with myself!! well now thats off my shoulders, any one care to add?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    I don't find your post "offensive", but I do wonder your reason for starting this thread. If you really don't care what GM thinks, then why bother wasting your time whinning about him? If you were critiqued by him, whether in a clinic or in PH's Jumping clinic, then all I can say is....judging by your own words, he probably had a few things to say about your riding, and...he was most likely right on the money.

                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by findeight:
                                    Oh my did I just feed a Troll?? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]
                                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Possibly, but it can be fun! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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                                    • #19
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:

                                      I don't take that as boasting but as someone I would love tell me how to ride a course<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Ditto. While George is a talented, accomplished rider and horseman, I think his greatest attribute is his ability (or should I say GIFT) to teach.
                                      "fighting stupidity; one step at a time" -- a wise COTHer

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                                      • #20
                                        I have a great picture I would like to send in, but it is a XC picture, i.e. no braids, a little
                                        unkempt if you know what I mean?

                                        My horse's form is lovely and it's one of the better ones I've seen of me...should I go for it? Or save my time because it will never get in?

                                        I am not scared of getting blasted for poor turnout....but I wonder if GM will even consider it?
                                        "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future!" - Niels Bohr

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