• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Metal poles that look like regular wood poles?? (NOT GM related)

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Metal poles that look like regular wood poles?? (NOT GM related)

    Do you guys use these? I visited a friend's farm and the noise the horses made going over the poles was different. I investigated and the poles look to be metal, fairly light. Does anyone use these? Are they legal? What is the purpose of using them?
    Last edited by Dune; Apr. 8, 2009, 01:49 PM.

  • #2
    .... i think i hear the train coming

    Comment


    • #3
      chugga chugga CHOO CHOO!
      (|--Sarah--|)

      Blitz <3 & Leap of Faith <3

      Comment


      • #4
        Are you sure they weren't PVC? I've never seen people use metal poles that are the same size as regular poles.

        Comment


        • #5
          errr... i wouldn't...ever....especially after reading one of those old threads about an incident involving a metal pole.....

          i believe the purpose of using metal poles is so they make a louder noise when they drop? e.g. the horse gets a fright from the 'clatter' of the pole? correct?

          Comment


          • #6
            Oh stop.

            Dune, it depends on what you mean by "metal pole." Do you mean a metal rail? Full sized, like a wood or PVC rail? On a single jump? Or every jump? Are you sure of what you are describing?

            An offset? Your description isn't clear, lots of things are 'fair' to pose to an experienced horse that would be quite dangerous when used on a green horse. So many training decisions entail judgement, skill, and experience. Blanket statements are normally not correct all the time.

            Maybe you meant a metal pipe, the size of a bamboo, resting on the top rail of a jump? A freaky accident happened with such a metal pole during a GM session a few years back in WPB, impaling the horse, causing its death. Using hindsight, precautions that could have been taken to make the exercise safer (tennis balls capping the ends of the poles) might have prevented the accident from being serious. Hindsight is great when you can use it.

            (There, now the train has pulled out of the station, those who can't stop yourselves, just have at it.).

            Actually accidents are not unheard of when using old PVC, which shatters, and can create very sharp edges. Accidents are not unheard of when using wood, particularly without safety release cups. And anything can be dangerous when approached without sufficient experience.

            So the correct answer to your question is, "it depends."

            Comment


            • #7
              I was just about to bring up the GM accident.

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                Originally posted by JustJump View Post
                Oh stop.

                Dune, it depends on what you mean by "metal pole." Do you mean a metal rail? Full sized, like a wood or PVC rail? On a single jump? Or every jump? Are you sure of what you are describing?


                First of all, thanks for stopping, or at least slowing down the "train". They are FULL-SIZE POLES that look like regular wood poles. I never even would've known the difference, but when the horses hit them, they made a "ting" sound and I was like Upon further investigation, they seem to be made of metal, they are definitely not the light PVC poles. So, does that help? I'm genuinely curious here because I take my horse for schooling sessions and I wanted to do some cavaletti work there but I'm not familiar with the equipment and not sure if I want to use it or not. ???

                An offset? Your description isn't clear, lots of things are 'fair' to pose to an experienced horse that would be quite dangerous when used on a green horse. So many training decisions entail judgement, skill, and experience. Blanket statements are normally not correct all the time.


                Totally agree, which is the reason for the question.

                Maybe you meant a metal pipe, the size of a bamboo, resting on the top rail of a jump? A freaky accident happened with such a metal pole during a GM session a few years back in WPB, impaling the horse, causing its death. Using hindsight, precautions that could have been taken to make the exercise safer (tennis balls capping the ends of the poles) might have prevented the accident from being serious. Hindsight is great when you can use it.

                NO, no, no, that's not what I'm referring to at all. (I know all about that incident, see explanation above)


                (There, now the train has pulled out of the station, those who can't stop yourselves, just have at it.).

                Actually accidents are not unheard of when using old PVC, which shatters, and can create very sharp edges. Accidents are not unheard of when using wood, particularly without safety release cups. And anything can be dangerous when approached without sufficient experience.

                So the correct answer to your question is, "it depends."


                Absolutely correct, so given the clarification, what do you think about this equipment and what is the reason for using it? Most of the jumps (including the cavaletti) are of this material (whatever it is) but there are a few that are wood. Why would you have those types of poles, I've never seen them anywhere else? TIA!

                Comment


                • #9
                  The only reasons I could think of to use metal poles would be because they are durable and wouldn't chip like wood, and would probably make a louder noise when hit or dropped. However, if you have PVC or wooden poles, I'd strongly suggest using those...while they are not 100% accident free, as they both can shatter and splinter into sharp edges, IMHO they are far safer than metal poles. As well as far more commonplace.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HARROLDhasmyheart View Post
                    The only reasons I could think of to use metal poles would be because they are durable and wouldn't chip like wood, and would probably make a louder noise when hit or dropped. However, if you have PVC or wooden poles, I'd strongly suggest using those...while they are not 100% accident free, as they both can shatter and splinter into sharp edges, IMHO they are far safer than metal poles. As well as far more commonplace.
                    As someone who experienced significant lacerations from falling on a PVC jump, I think a full size capped metal pole would probably be safer... but it would also be heavy, inconvenient, and quite a bit more expensive than wood.
                    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      Oh, so now that it's not a train wreck, no one is interested?? Or is this barn the only one with these things?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I would imagine that they are used to sting their legs if they hit them and make the ping sound you heard again if they hit them. I personally wouldnt use them, i dont want to use something that is going to break or give if a horse hits them

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          metal? As in aluminum (which, I would think, would be lighter and easier to move with a lovely "ting" when hit or falling)? I remember the GM story, but am not sure I'd be comfortable with the idea of using something like this.....

                          But then, I don't like PVC, either.
                          "IT'S NOT THE MOUNTAIN WE CONQUER, BUT OURSELVES." SIR EDMUND HILLARYMember of the "Someone Special To Me Serves In The Military" Clique

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Metal poles? That is very unsafe. PVC is used a lot at the higher levels but the only problem is if they fall down, they roll and could cause injury. Best are 8 side ground poles made from wood. They tend not to roll or move as easily and if they fall they stay in one place.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I don't see why a heavy metal pole would be any less safe than a wood pole, especially if the ends were capped. The problem is with a lightweight pole that might do something other than drop immediately to the base of the fence if it falls - and that can create a hazard regardless of the material.
                              If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                a metal pole isnt going to break if it needs to thats the problem.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  How often do wood poles actually break then? The only time I've ever broken a wood pole is if it was rotten already.
                                  http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    ive broken a wooden pole, and it wasnt rotted. Somehow (dont ask me how because i honestly dont know) on an oxer i was jumping when my mare hit it, it jammed in the cups and split right in the middle, if that would have been metal she most likely would have flipped..

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I've only seen one super nice good quality wooden pole break. At medal finals this year over the second to last jump (big white oxer) A horse went up and the decided not to jump and its hoof came down on the pole, snapping it in half

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        I just think that even if you DID want metal poles for some nefarious reason, they would be prohibitively expensive! I can't imagine what a course of metal poles would cost, even if you only used them as the top rails.

                                        As far as PVC and wood, I love PVC for ground rails and fill, but the rails in the cup are always wood. I find that some horses just clomp the PVC and don't care because it's too light. But for those of us at barn where we have to build and tear down our courses frequently, using some PVC elements makes life a lot easier!
                                        Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                                        Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X