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Do any jumper riders prefer riding stallions?

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  • Do any jumper riders prefer riding stallions?

    This is a bit of a spinoff from a Sporthorse Breeding thread regarding a performance stallion who is now going to start his breeding career. A poster asked why he had no progeny on the ground. It was said that the stallion was used strictly as a performance horse in the EU and UK...that there are far more performance stallions across the pond than in the US. The discussion starts here, with post #25:
    http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...=193020&page=2

    My question is, are there any (particularly jumper) competitors in the US who prefer riding stallions?
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    Just because it is a "stallion" doesn't mean it is a good horse. I think most people want to ride good horses, and it wouldn't matter what the sex was as long as it was ridable and competitive.
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    • #3
      A friend of mine who is a jumper trainer currently has 5...count em 5....stallions in his barn. I suppose he prefers them!

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      • #4
        Having lived in Europe, I think you see a lot more performance remain intact even if the owners have no intentions of sending them to the breeding shed. At the farm where I rode, the owner kept all of the colts as studs until 3 years, then decided which ones to geld depending on how they had matured and how they free-jumped. I think in the US we tend to geld right away unless the colt shows something exceptional from the beginning.

        There were many junior and amateur riders who competed stallions - both ponies and horses. I never really asked anyone why this was so common, but I'd suspect it is the extra testosterone could add more strength to their work.

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        • #5
          I agree with caevent. In Europe you see colts kept ungelded until they are a bit closer to maturity. I am working out of a 16 horse barn and though we only have two stallions currently, there are two who were very recently gelded, and one only about a year and a bit ago. The three that were gelded late were gelded around 5-6 years old and mostly because geldings are just easier to sell - the talent was there! They have kept their muscle tone so look amazing (you can definitely tell by looking that they were once stallions).
          From mmaaaaannnyyy people I have heard though that they do not prefer stallions. In fact, many think that they will jump better after being gelded because then there is nothing in between their legs bothering/pinching them (for the bigger boys, anyhow... ) And from many top professionals I've heard they favour mares... They tell me something along the lines of, between a gelding and a mare, even if you bond with both, it is always the mare that will give you her all..... Me, personally, I would take a gelding or a stallion over a mare. Mares drive me NUTS!!
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          • #6
            It's been my experience that if a mare takes you on as "her person", she'd give her life for you. While it takes a bit longer to gain the trust and respect of a mare I think, they bond to you and try extremely hard. Moreso than I've experienced with geldings or even studs. That said, my horse of a lifetime was a mare and I miss her everyday.
            "And my good dreams? They all come with a velvet muzzle and four legs. All my good dreams are about horses."--In Colt Blood

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TatteredDaydreamer View Post
              It's been my experience that if a mare takes you on as "her person", she'd give her life for you. While it takes a bit longer to gain the trust and respect of a mare I think, they bond to you and try extremely hard. Moreso than I've experienced with geldings or even studs. That said, my horse of a lifetime was a mare and I miss her everyday.
              I couldn't agree more!! A good mare is worth her weight in gold. My past mare was also a one in a million. I hope that one day I will be able to buy her back and retire her.
              Originally posted by JSwan
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              • #8
                Originally posted by TatteredDaydreamer View Post
                It's been my experience that if a mare takes you on as "her person", she'd give her life for you. While it takes a bit longer to gain the trust and respect of a mare I think, they bond to you and try extremely hard. Moreso than I've experienced with geldings or even studs. That said, my horse of a lifetime was a mare and I miss her everyday.
                I used to not like mares until we got our current one.

                http://www.new.facebook.com/photo.ph...d&id=506924538

                That mare is unbelievable on the ground and in hand. We love her more than ever and she has chose us as "her people" and she does everything with grace for us!

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                • #9
                  I have a huge appreciation of the "girls" as well. My geldings were great too, but I do get the feeling from all my mares that once I'm "theirs," they will go the distance without question.

                  Have known a few stallions I'd have loved to have owned -- but they're kinda few and far between.

                  Seb
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                  • #10
                    No better feeling then being "owned" by a mare, I always say.

                    Besides my once in a lifetime mare, I owned another mare who had been roughly handled and was very sensitive and a tough ride. However, the progress that we made was AMAZING. She tried so hard, was so willing and smart. She ended up being a joy to ride and I was most certainly "hers". I used to work at the barn and fed in the AM and PM, so when I'd leave for trips and the BO fed, she'd get all worked up and tear around the run in....pissed her person wasn't there to feed!

                    The BO even used to comment that the mare really loved me...I miss her.
                    "And my good dreams? They all come with a velvet muzzle and four legs. All my good dreams are about horses."--In Colt Blood

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                    • #11
                      I am not a jumper, but I prefer stallions for dressage. I love their confident nature and how they usually have that ready-for-any-challenge attitude. They are also usually characters and very individual. I love them.
                      "There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" -Winston Churchill

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                      • #12
                        I love the stallion I work with, I forget he's a stallion when I'm handling him around the farm. Honestly, I don't get along with mares, I have a mare now, she's a b!tch, but we also suspect a horomone issue.

                        Stallions are like extra manly geldings in my eyes, I don't treat them any differently than I do any other horse.
                        To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
                        for we have not deserved it.
                        Marion Garretty

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                        • #13
                          I owned one wonderful stallion who was my big jumper...he was a ball and really had amazing courage...we'd go over one jump and he'd be looking for the next one. I foxhunted him for fun and practice for x-country.

                          He was great and only was REALLY studish when he wore his special halter...then it was "Where's the girls!"

                          I had to sell him when I couldn't find a place to board him and he was too nice a stallion to geld for my convenience...he was a great animal and fun to own and ride. I like all the hormones in my horses...which means since stallions are typically too hard to keep, mares are my favourites (don't have any now, but I do like mares).
                          "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Trakehner View Post
                            I owned one wonderful stallion who was my big jumper...he was a ball and really had amazing courage...we'd go over one jump and he'd be looking for the next one. I foxhunted him for fun and practice for x-country.

                            He was great and only was REALLY studish when he wore his special halter...then it was "Where's the girls!"

                            I had to sell him when I couldn't find a place to board him and he was too nice a stallion to geld for my convenience...he was a great animal and fun to own and ride. I like all the hormones in my horses...which means since stallions are typically too hard to keep, mares are my favourites (don't have any now, but I do like mares).
                            Speaking of hormones. My friend's barn is testosterone city! lol A lady came to drop off a horse there the other day and she was like "GEEZ! There's more testosterone in here than a breeding barn in KY!"

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                            • #15
                              Of the 6 horses my family has owned, not a single one has had a Y chromosome. We are mare people, through and through I think. I love our 4 girls now, and there definitely is something special to being "owned" by a mare. I wouldn't turn a gelding down, or even a stallion if he was the right horse, it's just never worked out that way.

                              That said, my trainer loves stallions. She rides jumpers and while she's not looking to buy a stud because they're too complicated for resale if they're not super special, she loves the boys intact.
                              http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/profile/Ashley26

                              "You keep one leg on one side, the other leg on the other side, and your mind in the middle." -- Henry Taylor, "Riding Lesson"

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                              • #16
                                You know what they say....

                                You TELL a Gelding

                                You ASK a Stallion

                                You DISCUSS IT with a Mare...

                                I don't think everyone gets along with mares or stallions, as well as, they do geldings, it takes a special bond with either.

                                I currently have a mare...
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                                • #17
                                  I think the only reason why I get along with my current mare--excuse me, why my current mare tolerates me--is because she has the 'tude of a gelding. I actually like working with (most) green mares because you can build a good and steady bond with them, but for riding horses, yeah... me and mares have rarely gotten along unless they have a boy's attitude. That being said, my mare has the damndest passive agressive streak in her which I'm blaming on the QH in her, but who knows, it may be a mare thing. Her male "preferences" in the barn also baffle me. It changes like every two weeks. She is the most reliable four legged critter o/f though. Always helps me out when I screw up after not jumping in over two weeks haha.

                                  I don't know if she'll post, but one of my friends loves her stallions.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by grandprixjump View Post
                                    You TELL a Gelding

                                    You ASK a Stallion

                                    You DISCUSS IT with a Mare...

                                    I don't think everyone gets along with mares or stallions, as well as, they do geldings, it takes a special bond with either.

                                    I currently have a mare...
                                    and it is SO true. i love mares, and have been 'chosen' by a couple. there is definitely no better feeling than to watch 'your' mare give another rider hell, and then hop on and feel her breathe a sigh of releif at the return of 'her' person, and give you a perfect performance.
                                    but there is definitely no telling them anything! you talk it over, and she only complies if it agrees with HER idea of how things should go.

                                    yay mares!
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                                    • #19
                                      I've got 6 right now. 1 is a mare. She is more complicated to deal with than any of the boys. 1 is a 10 month old colt with a very sensible personality. We will leave him intact for some time yet as he's quite well bred and, so far, very lovely to look at. I think he might be my stallion prospect. We'll see how he shapes up in the next year or two.

                                      My newborn colt will probably be allowed to go late with his gelding as well. I think that extra muscling gives them an advantage so long as you can manage them safely. He's already a pistol so I don't know how long I'll be able to stand him with testosterone.
                                      Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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                                      • #20
                                        My two stallions have completely inimitable personalities. They have impeccable manners, and are very people oriented. One is the kindest, sweetest horse to handle, and the other definitely has "his" people, and it takes him a while to form a bond with someone new, and until then, will be quite scared of them.

                                        However, I was never shopping specifically for stallions-- these two both kind of fell into my lap, and I liked them regardless of their gender.

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