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Why aren't all jump heights in the Metric system?

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  • Why aren't all jump heights in the Metric system?

    What is the rationale behind using the Metric system for measuring Jumper Division jump heights and the English system for measuring Hunter Division Heights?

    Why not just use the Metric system for measuring all jump heights?

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    Why can't we use English for everything?
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      #3
      Originally posted by RioTex View Post
      Why can't we use English for everything?
      Well, the English don't even use the English system.

      Since the jumpers are international and there are international classes at some shows, it makes sense to use a common measurement standard, not just one for the U.S. shows.

      Everyone in the U.S. is used to the Metric system...our monetary system is based on the Metric system. Medicines are all despensed in the Metric system. Even sodas bottles are Metric.

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        I would hypothesize that it's because the hunter classes we have in the US aren't anything like the hunter classes in places that use the metric system. Maybe since the classes here were made here and only used here, we use the English system. Since jumper classes are held all over the world, they use the metric system since most of the world uses it. That's just my guess!

        Would make sense to use just one system. I'd have to vote for metric since that is more widely used.
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          Originally posted by Dun Ciarain View Post
          Everyone in the U.S. is used to the Metric system...our monetary system is based on the Metric system. Medicines are all despensed in the Metric system. Even sodas bottles are Metric.
          Pretty sure "20 fl oz" is not metric... (though the larger "2L" sure is)
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            Because I don't know the metric system Every time I'm looking at something and it has a metric measure I always call my BF who is a chemical engineering major and knows all those measurements.

            But internationally it would make sense to use just one form of measurement. But for classes only held in the US, using what the US uses makes the most sense.
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              Originally posted by dghunter View Post
              Because I don't know the metric system Every time I'm looking at something and it has a metric measure I always call my BF who is a chemical engineering major and knows all those measurements.

              But internationally it would make sense to use just one form of measurement. But for classes only held in the US, using what the US uses makes the most sense.
              Every science-based industry in the United States only uses the Metric system (maybe a few exceptions). I believe that even the aviation industry in the U.S. uses the metric system. So...we already use the Metric system here in many industries (and the list is growing).

              My point is, since the jumper division has already switched, why not the hunters? It doesn't make sense to use one form of measurement for the jumper division and a different one for the hunter division.

              Most people got used to the switch very quickly in jumpers.

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              • #8
                We're stooopid Americans and apparently can't handle a system based on tens.

                Seriously though, the jumper ring was getting some pressure to conform to international competition standards. No such pressure exists in the hunter ring. It may look simpler on a class list, but it's a lot of work to change all the existing literature and people are so entrenched in their "3' vs 3'6 etc" mindset.
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                  Originally posted by pattnic View Post
                  Pretty sure "20 fl oz" is not metric... (though the larger "2L" sure is)
                  You're right about the 20 fl oz size. Most of what I see in the stores are the 1/2 liter sizes. I noticed that a few years back that the shampoo and conditioner (made in the U.S.) that I buy became available only in Metric sizes. There is definately a Metric "creep" happening. It would have made more sense to switch both divisions at the same time or not switch the jumpers.

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                    Originally posted by Dun Ciarain View Post
                    Most people got used to the switch very quickly in jumpers.
                    It just started this year, didn't it? You are welcome to change the name to the American system, but the Europeans can have their metrics back. They don't think hunters are worthy, so what does it matter if we build jumps to different heights?
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                      Originally posted by Dun Ciarain View Post
                      Every science-based industry in the United States only uses the Metric system (maybe a few exceptions). I believe that even the aviation industry in the U.S. uses the metric system. So...we already use the Metric system here in many industries (and the list is growing).

                      My point is, since the jumper division has already switched, why not the hunters? It doesn't make sense to use one form of measurement for the jumper division and a different one for the hunter division.

                      Most people got used to the switch very quickly in jumpers.
                      However, all of our major things are not metric (ie speed is still mph, not kph). You still see drinks advertised by ounces. People still tell you their height in feet and inches and their weight in pounds. I believe the US did try to switch once before but people hated it. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I remember a past science teacher mentioning it). It didn't last very long. Here's the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrica..._United_States Take it with a grain of salt as wikipedia isn't always the most reliable source
                      However, I think the fact that the US as a country hasn't switched over might be part of it. And there's probably not a lot of demand in the hunters for it to be switched over. Maybe it will be like that 3'3" AO class. There was a demand and USEF met the demand. If enough people ask about it, perhaps they will do something about it. However, you won't find me asking for a switch I don't show in jumpers and I'm not a science person. I'm in Education (English) so I've never had to use metric before.
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                        Originally posted by dghunter View Post
                        However, all of our major things are not metric (ie speed is still mph, not kph). I'm in Education (English) so I've never had to use metric before.
                        The speed limits in Ireland are (or were up until a year or so ago) still in MPH, even though everything else has been converted.

                        Everyone in the U.S. uses the Metric system. Our currency is based on the Metric system. Even the stock market changed. Stocks used to be priced in dollars and fractions of dollars not too long ago. I know that they changed them due to the international exchanges, but still, why would an industry, such as horse showing, simultaneously use two different forms of measurement for the same event?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RioTex View Post
                          It just started this year, didn't it? You are welcome to change the name to the American system, but the Europeans can have their metrics back. They don't think hunters are worthy, so what does it matter if we build jumps to different heights?
                          Actually, I've seen jump heights espressed in meters for the jumpers for several years. Maybe it is a mandatory rule now for the jumpers?

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                            At least for now, most barns and shows have standards that are drilled in English 3" increments. Keyhole track &/or new standards are very costly. Only the big shows and the big jump rental companies can afford to have everything in 5cm (2") increments. Many people I know have a cheat sheet.
                            Last edited by sopha; Apr. 2, 2009, 07:30 PM. Reason: because I did indeed mean 3" increments (not 4")

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                              Originally posted by sopha View Post
                              At least for now, most barns and shows have standards that are drilled in English 4" increments. Keyhole track &/or new standards are very costly. Only the big shows and the big jump rental companies can afford to have everything in 5cm (2") increments. Many people I know have a cheat sheet.
                              Did you mean 3" increments? 2'6", 2'9", 3', 3'3", 3'6"...

                              4" increments would make it impossible to have a 3' jump and a 3'6" jump using the same standards.
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                                Cuz TWOOOOO foot nine sounds way more impressive than POINT nine??

                                or point eight..three... whatever it is

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                                • #17
                                  I thought it was because the new breakaway cups in the jumper ring all fit on a certain type of jump wing so I thought they made everything metric for ease of measurement. The breakaway cups aren't required in the hunter ring, so the old jump wings that are measured in feet & inches are still good to use! (could of been somebody blowing you know what up my butt for a laugh though!)
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                                    Originally posted by eclipse View Post
                                    I thought it was because the new breakaway cups in the jumper ring all fit on a certain type of jump wing so I thought they made everything metric for ease of measurement. The breakaway cups aren't required in the hunter ring, so the old jump wings that are measured in feet & inches are still good to use! (could of been somebody blowing you know what up my butt for a laugh though!)
                                    Breakaway cups for the jumpers but not the hunters? If the breakaway cups are a safety issue, why wouldn't you use them in both the jumper and the hunter divisions.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Dun Ciarain View Post
                                      Breakaway cups for the jumpers but not the hunters? If the breakaway cups are a safety issue, why wouldn't you use them in both the jumper and the hunter divisions.
                                      There are a MILLION and ONE good reasons you could give for making the change... BUT, "Hunters," as we know it, is exclusively American. And very TRADITIONAL...so -- good luck with this.

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                                      • #20
                                        Cuz the metric system is hard.

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