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Took a header off a greenie...what to do about my GPA?

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  • Took a header off a greenie...what to do about my GPA?

    So last Wednesday I was mounting my 2y/o DWB (it was his....4th ride) I had a ground person and he had been lunged for about a half hour before hand and had some drugs in him...He was perfectly quiet for his first 3 rides but for whatever reason, when I got on him (Swung my leg over...stood in the stirrups for a few seconds) when I sat...he exploded into bucking...basically knocked my ground person over and went flying across the arena...I didn't have my balance...(behind the motion a tad) and came off...and landed squarely on the back of my neck and head....passed out for about 2 minutes or so. Took a lovely visit to the ER where I was in the Trama Unit in a neck and back brace for the night...along with a gazillion ct scans among other things...Anyways! Besides a concussion and some bruising on the neck, I'm okay....now my question is...while my GPA doesn't squeak and is in perfectly fine looking condition I'm not going to ride in it anymore. However I now need a new helmet! How is GPA about replacing helmets when you fall and what do you need to show them as proof of purchase? (ie; reciept etc.) As of right now I have my CO hunt cap and my CO Skull cap left to ride in and goodness knows neither of those would fit in at a hunter show!

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    I would definitely look into it but I think for $50.00? GPA will replace the helmet after a fall if you send it back to them. I thought it might be required that you register it to do that but thinking about it, I think the receipt would suffice. Glad you're okay. Good luck with him!

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    • #3
      Wow, glad everyone's okay. Frightening episode.

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      • #4
        Glad u are okay! Do you still have your warranty information that came in the box?? If not just contact the company and they should help you.

        May I ask why you were riding your 2y.o. DWB, anyway? The warmbloods grow a LOT slower (physically AND mentally) than the TBs, QHs, etc. Perhaps this is your boy's way of saying "wait til I'm 3 or 4 to start me".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by warmbloodzrock View Post
          Glad u are okay! Do you still have your warranty information that came in the box?? If not just contact the company and they should help you.

          May I ask why you were riding your 2y.o. DWB, anyway? The warmbloods grow a LOT slower (physically AND mentally) than the TBs, QHs, etc. Perhaps this is your boy's way of saying "wait til I'm 3 or 4 to start me".
          Many people back their horses for a few rides while they are young and then turn them out for another year or so to finish growing. Just because she is sitting on it doesn't mean she's entering it in the 1st years at the end of the summer.

          My young WB mare is on the same schedule. She's getting 6-9 rides now as a 2 year old and then nothing but manners and ground work for another year.
          Originally posted by tidy rabbit
          Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
            Many people back their horses for a few rides while they are young and then turn them out for another year or so to finish growing. Just because she is sitting on it doesn't mean she's entering it in the 1st years at the end of the summer.

            My young WB mare is on the same schedule. She's getting 6-9 rides now as a 2 year old and then nothing but manners and ground work for another year.
            As long as thats ALL shes doing

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            • #7
              I'm less concerned about backing a 2yo WB that I am about the "drugs". Why? Which drug? I would lay odds the drug was a player in the explosion. If it was ace, that has a reputation for either being very good, or causing a horse to suddenly blow out of it, violently, for no apparent reason.
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                Originally posted by warmbloodzrock View Post
                As long as thats ALL shes doing
                Agreed

                Originally posted by JB View Post
                I'm less concerned about backing a 2yo WB that I am about the "drugs". Why? Which drug? I would lay odds the drug was a player in the explosion. If it was ace, that has a reputation for either being very good, or causing a horse to suddenly blow out of it, violently, for no apparent reason.
                I skimmed over the drug part...





                As to the original question, I thought it was more like $150 to replace the helmet, and it couldn't be more than a year or two old. I'd call the place where you purchased the helmet. They should have the details for you and be able to tell you if you are eligible.

                And maybe a $50 plastic troxel for the rest of the baby-breaking season ?
                Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                  Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
                  Agreed



                  I skimmed over the drug part...





                  As to the original question, I thought it was more like $150 to replace the helmet, and it couldn't be more than a year or two old. I'd call the place where you purchased the helmet. They should have the details for you and be able to tell you if you are eligible.

                  And maybe a $50 plastic troxel for the rest of the baby-breaking season ?

                  He is 2...but he's from Holland and their seasons are different over there so he turns 3 in August or something silly. I'm just w/t him for about 10 minutes..working on steering at the walk mainly and voice commands....I'm also about 115lb soaken wet.

                  As for the "drugs" part...he had a little ace in him...like I said...I had 3 rides prior to Wednesday in him and he was perfectly fine. My guess was maybe I sat down a little too quickly and he had a cold back? I dunno.
                  And last but not least, there is no way in helllll that I'm wearing a plastic troxel to break a young horse in....if you saw the difference between the shock absorbtion of a basically...foam troxel and a $400+ GPA you'd understand.

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                    Originally posted by TheHunterKid90 View Post
                    And last but not least, there is no way in helllll that I'm wearing a plastic troxel to break a young horse in....if you saw the difference between the shock absorbtion of a basically...foam troxel and a $400+ GPA you'd understand.
                    It was always my understanding that all ASTM certified helmets are created equal as far as protection.

                    I ride in GPA and GR8s, but I also don't break babies.
                    Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                    Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
                      Agreed

                      As to the original question, I thought it was more like $150 to replace the helmet, and it couldn't be more than a year or two old. I'd call the place where you purchased the helmet. They should have the details for you and be able to tell you if you are eligible.
                      That sounds a lot more correct, sorry I was going from memory. I think it's my new cell phone insurance that's $50 for a replacement.

                      Wow, i have too much going on in my head right now haha. I need a vacation.

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                      • #12
                        Shouldn't have to use drugs to break a young horse in either.

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                          ASTM-SEI certified is ASTM-SEI certified. A certified Troxel can save your head just like a GPA.

                          I really am sorry to say this, but if you feel the need to ace a young horse just to get on, then there is a lot missing from his prep work. Ace is not to be taken lightly. A horse blowing through it can be a whole heckuva lot more dangerous of an animal than if he were allowed to have his full mental capacity to deal with whatever "got" him.
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                            Apparently Troxels may be safer than GPAs according to a post on this thread.

                            http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ght=gpa+troxel
                            Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                            Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                              Originally posted by TheHunterKid90 View Post
                              And last but not least, there is no way in helllll that I'm wearing a plastic troxel to break a young horse in....if you saw the difference between the shock absorbtion of a basically...foam troxel and a $400+ GPA you'd understand.
                              As someone else said there was some sort of study done that showed the Troxel may do a BETTER job then any of the other $$$ helmets.

                              I too rode in GPA's only until I came across the IRH Elite but a certified helmet is a certified helmet regardless of price.

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                              • #16
                                Why are we aceing the baby to break him? I've started several horses and ponies and NEVER ever would use ACE or any drug to alter the mindset of a baby....I want them fully functioning. And I agree, if you have to drug them to get on there's a lot of prep work that hasn't been done and you need to take a few steps back, or pump the breaks.

                                Sorry, that got a bit of a bug up my butt. Continue.....
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                                • #17
                                  Ace is funny stuff, as someone else mentioned. I used to work for a vet who used it as a pre-surgical relaxant, and the reactions to it could sometimes be in direct opposition to what it was SUPPOSED to do. And more than once I saw the same animal react completely differently on two different "ace" occasions.

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                                  • #18
                                    Hate to tell ya, but the GPA is mostly white styrofoam inside...I know because my hubby ran over mine with the truck this weekend...only 3 months old of course....it has basically the same stuff inside as a troxel, except that 2'' wide strip of metal at the top....oh, and the GPA logo.... sooo much safer, i don't think so....

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by TheHunterKid90 View Post
                                      And last but not least, there is no way in helllll that I'm wearing a plastic troxel to break a young horse in....if you saw the difference between the shock absorbtion of a basically...foam troxel and a $400+ GPA you'd understand.
                                      An approved helmet is an approved helmet. They both meet or exceed the standards.

                                      I actually took a HAMMER to my Troxel this weekend. I wanted to get rid of it since it's old and doesn't really fit but thought I'd play around with it, see how it's put together, etc. before I threw it out. The hammer did crack it when I took off the plastic shell, put it on it's side, and slammed the hammer into it. It cracked where I hit it, no visible damage to the side that was on the ground. When put the helmet down so the opening was on the ground and swung the hammer into it, there was very little noticeable damage: you could see where the head of the hammer hit, but not much else. It was quite interesting! They are very good protection even though they may not be pricey and trendy.
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                                      • #20
                                        I recently had a similar experience with a slightly older horse. I had been riding her for about three months and the wet season set in and she only got out sporadically. I was getting back into it all with her and had three fantastic rides in a row. Had a day off and the next day, I mounted and...EXPLOSION! Hit the ground HARD and my head (in my GPA) hit the ground and rattled. Oh man it hurt. I was loopy for almost an hour - ER, CT Scan. Everything is okay. GPA held up well but I put it on the shelf and bought a new one just in case. (Mine unfortunately didn't qualify for replacement.)

                                        Moral of the story. Wear the helmet that you like because you'll wear it. If you're comfortable in a $50 Troxel great. If a GPA or Charles Owen fits better, wear that because it'll protect your head better if it stays in place. $500 for a helmet is a hell of a lot cheaper than permanent brain damage. I would also venture to guess that the GPA might be better if you hit your head on something that might try to go through the helmet (fence, jump cup, inconveniently placed pointy branch). I also remember a story about a girl whose head was stepped on by a horse and the GPA held its shape and her head was fine. That would be my only thought on purchasing a GPA over other options.

                                        I looked into the GPA warranty. You have to go through the dealer you bought it from and show a receipt of purchase. It has a one year warranty from date of purchase and an 18 month warranty from date of manufacture. I believe it's $175 for a replacement. I've also heard of some people pleading with the local rep and getting away with getting it replaced even if they didn't meet the above mentioned criteria.

                                        They recommend buying a new helmet every 5 years in general just from normal wear and tear.

                                        As for the horse, she'll be fine. She's still growing and there's some soreness involved that we're getting taken care of. Wish it hadn't taken a nasty fall for me to realize it but live and learn! Glad your story ended okay as well.

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